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AIBU to stop contact, due to ex not social distancing

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PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 10:42

Hi all...

I've been a long time lurker on here, but this is my first post. I have noone to turn to irl, so thank you in advance for taking the time to read through this long post and any advice given.

DD is 9. Ex and I split during the pregnancy and have for the most part managed to remain amicable and only message each other on a "need to know" basis. Pre-lockdown, he would see DD one day a week plus every other weekend. There are no court orders in place.

Fast forward to March and I messaged ex to discuss the imminent lockdown and what our approach would be going forward,. Given the nature of both of our jobs, I suggested that we all isolate for two weeks and then either he was welcome to stay with us for the duration or we would resume normal contact arrangements if that was preferable, assuming we would both be following the government guidelines. He agreed to the isolation, but was not forthcoming with how he would like things to proceed afterwards or whether he would be strictly social distancing, as DD and I have been.

(It's important to note that while none of us have underlying health conditions, I am suffering from extreme anxiety, for which I am actively seeking help for.)

Those initial two weeks came and went and admittedly, I didn't approach ex to review the situation, as I was dealing with the demands of wfh, homeschooling etc. He also did not press the matter and would facetime DD daily.

In time, we began to visit his garden (via a side gate and socially distanced), so DD and ex could spend time together in person.

Sadly, ex's family suffered a loss and he expressed a wish for DD to attend the funeral. I tried to be as supportive as possible, but asked that he respect my wishes to keep DD socially distanced throughout the day. Despite assurances, he did the opposite, driving many miles with DD and members of two other households and DD confirmed that there was no distancing at the wake, which at least six households attended.

Needless to say, I was upset about this, but bit my tongue, as I understood it was an emotional time and hoped it was a one-off.

However, through conversations with ex, it has become apparent that he has not stuck to the guidelines over the last eleven weeks and he has admitted to staying at his mum's and having multiple friends and family over to his house.

He is now insisting that pre-lockdown contact arrangements resume, but refuses to agree to socially distance with or without DD, citing that he doesn't see DD as being at risk and that the guidelines were put in place for "vulnerable people", not us.

His view is that I am damaging DD through my approach to follow the guidelines to the letter and that my "crippling anxiety" and "irrational fears" are going to negatively impact DD in the long run. This is an additional worry on my part, but I am trying my hardest to limit this, by seeking help for my anxiety (have been prescribed medication and am on the waiting list for CBT), forcing myself to take DD out for walks and making sure DD has contact with her friends through facetime/emails, but I do worry about the impact of the last eleven weeks on DD and regularly check in with her. She seems ok.

I lost my mother to something that ultimately could have been avoided when I was a teenager and I believe that a lot of my anxiety stems from this and wanting to keep DD and myself "safe". Although I know statistically that we would most likely only experience mild symptoms, I just don't see the point in testing that theory out if we don't have to. Why chance it?

Ex has gone so far as to arrange a playdate at his for DD this weekend and says that he will do as he sees best when DD is with him.

I accept that ex and I might not always share the same parental views, but AIBU to stop contact for the time being, as he is insistent on breaking the social distancing rules and not putting our DD's health first?

Thank you so much if you made it to the end! Am happy to be told I'm being unreasonable. I know my anxiety may be clouding my judgement and just want to do what is best for DD.

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PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 18:45

@harriethoyle
Please don't presume that I do not understand my daughter's distress. That is incredibly hurtful.

To be clear, DD was crying, because she doesn't understand why the same rules that apply to us don't apply to ex. Of course she is missing her dad, but has herself, and without input from, me asked not to see him at present, because he "wants to see everyone else, but doesn't want to stop so I can see him".

She's nine, but not silly and without any input from myself or ex, she has come to that conclusion. Surely that must count for something?

I'm very aware of the emotional impact this may be having on DD and have been so careful to hide my anxiety from her and to continue to do my best by her, but unless they've eradicated this virus and I missed it, then although my fears are heightened, they are not entirely theoretical.

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Flittingabout · 11/06/2020 18:52

The NSPCC also have advice OP. It doesn't say to uphold contact regardless actually.

PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 19:25

@Flittingabout
Thank you. I will have a look now. Appreciate you taking the time to signpost me.

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HeckyPeck · 11/06/2020 19:41

YANBU

A lot of people have given up on social distancing now & are acting like there’s no virus and that it hasn’t killed otherwise healthy people.

He is deliberately breaking the rules. His choice. Your DD understands it and doesn’t want to go. Even if she didn’t I’d say YANBU but she does so double YANBU

Angelonia · 11/06/2020 19:42

would you all really send your child to someone who was repeatedly mixing households, with no attempt at social distancing?

Yes, honestly, I would (unless my child or I were vulnerable). Sorry if that's not the answer you want to hear.

HeckyPeck · 11/06/2020 19:48

would you all really send your child to someone who was repeatedly mixing households, with no attempt at social distancing?

If you look at corona posts on here you’ll see the majority (that respond to them at least) either have given up with lockdown rules or think they should end (and some saying we never should have had it in the first place) so you’ll probably get lots of YABUs.

PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 19:48

@Angelonia

would you all really send your child to someone who was repeatedly mixing households, with no attempt at social distancing?

Yes, honestly, I would (unless my child or I were vulnerable). Sorry if that's not the answer you want to hear.

@Angelonia I can't argue with that. I am sure you are doing what you feel is best by your children and I am trying to do what I feel is best by DD. We'll have to agree to disagree on this point, but thank you once more for your viewpoint.
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PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 19:54

@HeckyPeck

Thank you so much for taking the time to read through and reply. From other replies, I was really starting to question whether it was my anxiety, clouding my judgement here, so it was a relief to read your post.

Whilst I wasn't expecting everyone to agree with me, I was hoping for a balanced view and a bit of support. Very much feeling outnumbered in my feelings here, so thank you once more for posting.

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BlueChewRoy · 11/06/2020 20:07

I have awful health anxiety so I do get how hard this must be for you OP. However, I really think you need to carefully consider the risk of your daughter getting this virus compared with the risk to her mental health not seeing her Dad. For me even as anxious as I am, the risk to my child's mental health would mean I would allow visits.

PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 21:06

@BlueChewRoy
I take on board what you're saying.
As I've said all along, if ex was following guidelines, or attempting to, then I would not be worrying about sending her. Anxiety put to one side, the fact remains that he is mixing with multiple households when the guidance specifically prohibits us from doing that for good reason. There is a virus out there and to my mind he is deliberately carrying on as normal, putting himself and others at risk in the process. I know others have said that they do not see an issue with this, but I personally do not want to put my DD in a situation that increases the liklihood of her coming down with this, whether that is mildly or otherwise. She herself does not want to mix with other households at the moment, of her own accord, because she wants to do her bit to keep numbers down.

Of course, her mental wellbeing is equally as important and as much as I am trying to safeguard her physical wellbeing, I am trying to do all I can to make sure that she is well in this regard.

I have continued to facilitate contact between DD and ex and promoted their relationship throughout this pandemic. If he had communicated in the beginning that he was also sticking to the guidelines, their contact would have carried on as normal. However, he didn't communicate his intentions and up until recently was more than happy for DD to facetime/visit via the garden.

Although, he has not had her as usual, per se, ex has seen and spoken to DD daily throughout this whole lockdown and they have probably "seen" more of each other now than at any point leading up to lockdown.

During the lead up to the funeral, it was I who suggested we return to our previous timetable and he assured me DD's physical wellbeing was as important to him as it was to me. He promised to keep her distanced at the funeral. However, he then went on to mix DD several households for the entire day/night and has since admitted that he hasn't stuck to distancing whatsoever throughout the last few months.

With that in mind, I'm just not sure I am prepared to let DD resume contact with someone who I do not trust to keep her safe during this time. R is only just below one, after all.

And I'm sorry to hear you are suffering from anxiety too. Mine is more generalised, but up until a few weeks ago I had no idea how much anxiety could physically affect a person. I hope you are doing well...

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dumbledory · 11/06/2020 21:41

OP, I'm sorry about some of the responses you've received on here. Some have been horrid. Clearly you're a single mum going through a hard time and were reaching out for some support.
For what it's worth I don't think you're being unreasonable. At all. You're trying to do your best by your daughter and have encouraged daily contact with her dad in one form or another. No it's not the same as things pre-covid, but what is right now? It's people kidding themselves that it's ok to carry on like nothing is happening like your Ex and PPs who are prolonging the outbreak and increasing the risk of a second wave. Yes, lockdown might be easing, but the risk of catching covid isn't and as we know it doesn't just select the vulnerable and elderly to pick off. If your Ex is insisting on being naive and putting himself at an increased risk then that's for him to decide. You do not have to put DD or yourself into that mix and personally think that, so long as you continue to carry on contact through other means, your DD would be better off staying with you.
I'm sorry again that you are going through a hard time and for some of the responses you've had on what is your first time reaching out on this site. It's incredibly easy to be judgemental, but just as easy to be kind. It's a shame you don't have anyone to talk this through or form a bubble with in real life, as you might not be struggling so much with your feelings of anxiety. Be kind to yourself. You're doing a great job and DD will not suffer if you decide to keep her with you for the timebeing. I for one am only ever an inbox away if you would like to chat.

Sk1nnyB1tch · 11/06/2020 21:44

I just wanted to say I think you are right.
We are all responsible for our own wellbeing and for any children we have.
Ultimately guidelines are just that, and he's not even sticking to them.

PerspectiveIsAVirtue · 11/06/2020 22:38

@dumbledory
Thank you so much. I'm sorry I can't articulate myself anymore than that. I'm quite tearful in the evenings when DD is asleep, but your words mean more to me than you'll ever know.

@Sk1nnyB1tch
Thank you also for your opinion. I'm glad I'm not completely alone in my feelings on this. I just wish he was sticking to the guidelines or at least attempting to. Then this would be a complete non-issue. Sad

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flabbyflabbyflabguts · 11/06/2020 22:46

YANBU
My ex took my children to mix at someone's house while he had them two weeks ago, and I have stopped contact. Two of my children have health conditions and are vulnerable, albeit not on the official list.

HugeAckmansWife · 12/06/2020 04:16

You keep typing long responses but ultimately you are not budging from your stance. If your DD was a year or so older she'd be in school now, mixing with many others. My kids have seen their dad throughout. They have a step sibling who has been seeing her dad throughout and I have no idea what her dad does for a living, what his partner does or if they have been SDing. The risk to healthy children is so so low it is not justifiable, especially now, to stop contact on grounds of risk, it really isn't. We put our children at more risk every time they go in a car, cross the road etc. I think you need to try reframe this. In the very unlikely event that your ex has had contact with someone infected, he may well not have got it, nor pass it on. If he does, your DD may get it and be entirely asymptomatic as it seems most children under 10 are. You've not mentioned any vulnerabilities yourself so its highly unlikely you'd be badly affected. I absolutely think you need to let her go, explain that while caution is good, on balance, the risk is v v low even with your exs lack of SD and she should go and enjoy her visit.

Hadjab · 12/06/2020 04:54

This may be useful:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52003804

FairyDogMother11 · 12/06/2020 05:36

I'm not in the same situation but can definitely sympathise on the anxiety front. Whilst others are merrily getting back to normal, I have a 4 month old DD and I have anxiety about her catching it, or me. We had a very tough start to our life together; I have PTSD and can't bear the thought of being back in ITU or her being in hospital. I know its statistically unlikely either of us would be very ill with it (although I have T1 Diabetes so there's a possibility) it still causes me some anxiety especially with lockdown easing. People weren't taking it seriously before and now it seems like most things are back to normal. Family on my DH side keep asking to cuddle her (we've been going to sit in the garden so they can see her) and I feel so mean saying no, but I know they're absolutely not paying any attention to any of it, think inviting lots of different people round for drinks and takeaway, not distancing etc. My family have been following the rules, shopping minimally, not seeing anyone except at a distance etc. but haven't asked me to let them have a cuddle because they know it wouldn't be fair to put me in a position that they know I'm not comfortable with, they'd love to cuddle her I know, my DM has suffered a lot in the last year losing both my GPs and my DD is the light of her life, but she's happily keeping her safe by seeing her at a distance. Of course everyone misses her, and haven't held her since she was 8 weeks old so I understand it must be hard but that doesn't stop me being hugely anxious and thinking if it bothered them that much they'd maybe be a bit more careful Blush so I understand your anxiety at least, whether it be logical or not Flowers

Pleasenodont · 12/06/2020 05:43

I never understood why children were allowed to mix with the two households anyway tbh, especially if the NRP lives with others such as a partner and perhaps step-children. Seems irresponsible when nobody else is advised to mix with other households and I think the NRP can deal with video chats for a few months personally.

BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup · 12/06/2020 05:54

@FairyDogMother11 with all due respect your mother and other family members aren't your baby's other parent - who you live with. Plus there is a difference between who a 4 month old recognises and a 9 year old.

@Pleasenodont - are you always this nasty about children's feelings. You are presuming both the child and non-residential parent don't miss each other, and only the residential parent's feelings matter.

VoldemortsMaid · 12/06/2020 05:54

@Pleasenodont that's a very ignorant response. The NRP may well be able to deal with video calls but a lot of children can't. Not being able to physically see the other parent would be detrimental to a lot of children's mental health.

FairyDogMother11 · 12/06/2020 06:01

@BeforeIPutOnMyMakeup I did say I was aware that it was totally different, and that I was only sympathising about the anxiety. I did in fact state "whether it is logical or not". Anyone who's ever suffered anxiety will know its not always logical, that doesn't stop it being crippling on a daily basis. OP has had a lot of replies that do deal with her query regarding her daughter, I was merely offering a long winded hand hold and would hope it's been taken that way.

midnightstar66 · 12/06/2020 06:16

I've been in this position from the start but decided the affect of not seeing their dad (and potentially damaging the already shaky relationship we have and the guaranteed fallout of that) was lower than the risk as we are all low risk category and they've been going to their df EOW as normal. Especially now rules have very much been relaxed and bubbles are being allowed I'd say you'd be U to refuse a resume in contact now.

Sunny4876 · 12/06/2020 06:17

I did this because ex wasn't social distancing,he saw her twice in the first month of lockdown,which is his norm,but was hoping hed step up more while she was not in school found out hed been having friends to his house and even brought dd home in friends car so stopped her going,for 8 weeks,she's just started going again as she was missing him and I decided as he hadn't caught it thus far it was worth the risk to keep her happy.He's still a knob for putting her at risk in the beginning of lockdown and not seeing a problem.I would go with what your dd wants at this stage of lockdown I think.

Cfmcg900 · 12/06/2020 06:33

I voted YABU.

First, you’re doing brilliant. Caring for your daughter near-alone (in a lockdown!), maintaining good relations with your ex, all while controlling significant anxiety is nothing short of miraculous. In all of the posts please don’t lose sight of that.

If you have asked this question 10 weeks ago (even half that) I would have agreed completely.

But the guidelines are moving towards more socialisation not away from it.

How long do you propose to cease contact? In line with guidelines? That’s going to pan out very shortly.

Until there’s a vaccine? That may be never.

Unfortunately we have little control over an ex’s decisions and if you continue to withhold after the guidelines are changing significantly you lose any factual basis for doing so and are instead doing so based on emotion.

You say why risk it. Your daughter - if she has no conditions that make her vulnerable - is far, far more likely to be harmed in the drive to her father’s than she is from covid19. But you don’t prevent that. We take little risks every time we leave the house and indeed risks into our home. That’s simply what living is.

Why not explain to him you will be following the guidelines until they change and multiple families can now mix again? That gives him and end date he can work with instead of perhaps thinking you’re trying to control his movements.

Don’t ever let your anxiety make you doubt your decisions, you’re doing as you consider best.

ScissorsBike · 12/06/2020 06:39

YABVU and controlling. Please seek urgent online counselling.

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