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Churchill to Hitler

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Pinkkgaga · 10/06/2020 12:44

So it’s trending on Twitter that people are comparing Churchill to Hitler and saying he was just as bad.
Absolutely disgusting imo, but I’d like to hear everyone’s thoughts on it.

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ChaBishkoot · 14/06/2020 11:10

Anti racism is not a ‘cause.’ It’s a basic human right. It’s fine to be personally anti racist or non racist but if you are silent when someone is being abused repeatedly and you offer zero solidarity then your personal non racism has zero value. You don’t have to march on Parliament to be anti racist.
It’s the bit where supposed non racists then suggest that because THEY are personally non racist, therefore racism is a non issue where things start to get problematic.

ChaBishkoot · 14/06/2020 11:11

That’s in response to the person who said I can’t expect everyone to join the ‘cause.’

DGRossetti · 14/06/2020 11:30

Anti racism is not a ‘cause.’ It’s a basic human right. It’s fine to be personally anti racist or non racist but if you are silent when someone is being abused repeatedly and you offer zero solidarity then your personal non racism has zero value. You don’t have to march on Parliament to be anti racist.

All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing

CherryPavlova · 14/06/2020 12:35

All it takes for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing

This

7Days · 14/06/2020 12:59

Standing up for people being abused in your personal life would fall under being personally anti racist, surely.

WhatALearningCurve · 14/06/2020 13:24

Here are some lovely facts and quotes for the Churchill defenders

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WhatALearningCurve · 14/06/2020 13:25

And some more

WhatALearningCurve · 14/06/2020 13:26

Part 3

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WhatALearningCurve · 14/06/2020 13:26

And the last

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Xenia · 14/06/2020 13:27

I am very happy with my own stance no most issues and I proud that the UK under Churchill stood firm against racism with the help of the US - in effect we saved the free world and that is why blacks, whites and many others in Europe live freely today.

I have always been anti-racism, pro democracy and capitalism and anti sexism too.

We were very lucky to have Churchill leading this land.

user1471565182 · 14/06/2020 13:31

you've just posted the same discredited nonsense again.

user1471565182 · 14/06/2020 13:32

People who get their bloody history from 'a thread' people on twitter ffs

SuckingDieselFella · 14/06/2020 13:38

@WhatALearningCurve

And the last
I can't find the account feminist.yes or visioy.

But thanks for illustrating that this is a far left campaign, furthering its own agenda under the guise of 'black lives matter'.

WhatALearningCurve · 14/06/2020 13:40

Unsure how you weren't able to find it?

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PippaHugo · 14/06/2020 13:45

Winston Churchill was critical of Mohammed and Gandhi, but I do not think this was unreasonable when Gandhi was such a racist himself and Mohammed owned slaves and supported slavery.

Mohammed held slaves and his female slaves did not have the right to grant or deny sexual access to themselves. The Qur’an permitted men to have sexual access to “what their right hands possess,” meaning female captives or slaves (Q. 23.5-6; 70.29-30).

This was widely accepted and practiced among early Muslims; the Prophet Muhammad, for example, kept a slave-concubine (Mariya the Copt) who was given to him as a gift by the Roman governor of Alexandria. The only route out of slavery was conversion.

Gandhi was an out and out racist (trigger warning).

He wrote to a Medical Officer in Johannesburg that the council "must withdraw Kaffirs" from a slum where African people lived along with Indians, and was distressed that Indians had to live with Africans, stating: ”about the mixing of the Kaffirs with the Indians, I must confess I feel most strongly."

He compared people of Indian origin with people of African origin, stating that the former had no "war-dances, nor does he drink Kaffir beer". He also complained that people of Indian origin were treated only slightly better “than savages or the Natives of Africa".

So I do not think we should criticise Churchill for his critical attitude to Mohammed or Gandhi, which would be largely consistent with BLM.

SuckingDieselFella · 14/06/2020 14:00

@WhatALearningCurve

Unsure how you weren't able to find it?
Are you asking a question or making a statement?

What is the 'it' that you refer to? I wrote that I couldn't find two accounts.

Twitter literacy standards in action.

WhatALearningCurve · 14/06/2020 14:38

@SuckingDieselFella it was a question and I'm sorry I wrote 'it' instead of 'them'.

You won't find them on Twitter because they're not Twitter accounts. Try Instagram.

Clavinova · 14/06/2020 14:58

Tate & Lyle actively campaigned for Brexit.
We already have no tariffs on 'fair trade' cane sugar from poor nations.T&L cut their supplies from these countries 10 years ago.

Slightly different perspective here:

2016 -
"Years of lobbying the Commission couldn't crack the EU's uneven handling of the two crops that produce sugar: cane and beet.Brussels slaps high tariffs on sugar cane imports while simultaneously subsidizing the beet crop used by Tate & Lyle's competitors.The situation is only set to deteriorate once national beet sugar production caps end in 2017.This will free beet farmers to expand their businesses while import tariffs remain intact for cane refiners."

"The EU is a sugar-producing anomaly: Some 80 percent of the world's sugar is produced from cane, a tall grass that grows mostly in the tropics.The rest from comes from sugar beet—a root shaped like a fat parsnip—of which the EU produces the lion's share."

"Today [2016], most sugar beet grows in a Northern European arc that runs from Britain to Poland.The growers receive EU subsidies and, if they stick to their production quotas, have prices guaranteed at €26.29 per metric ton. In turn, businesses that rely on sugar cane have to shoulder heavy import duties from outside the EU."

"Tate & Lyle ran a loss of €25 million in 2015, and added that operating costs were inflated by €40 million last year because of the tariffs." ...

"The cane refining sector attributes the troubles to the EU's reforms of its sugar policy in 2006."

"The Commission's measures cushioned beet producers while also changing the EU sugar import regime in a way that can be bad for refiners.The reforms removed barriers to cane imports from a set of poor countries, including Mozambique and Cambodia.The Commission did the same for imports from slightly more competitive producer nations like Jamaica—but with limits on the amount they could export to the EU because of fears they would flood the market."

"In reality, these countries have stopped exporting so much to the EU.The EU sugar price had been artificially high for decades, and orienting the beet sector toward the market brought that price down. This weakened the economic incentives poorer countries had to export to the EU, when they could just as easily sell their sugar elsewhere and for a similar price.The final result was that less raw sugar from developing countries came into the EU, and cane refiners were forced to source their sugar from bigger economies such as Brazil and Australia at a higher price."

www.politico.eu/article/brexit-after-brexit-the-sugar-rush-uk-sugar-cane-refiners/

2017 - "Brussels is keeping punitive tariffs on imported cane sugar–in a bitter development for one of the oldest names in the British sweetening industry, Tate & Lyle Sugars."

"Tate & Lyle claims its raw material bill is inflated by €40m a year due to EU tariffs and quotas. In theory, it is still allowed to import zero-tariff sugar from a handful of designated markets such as Fiji, Belize and Guyana and that are seen as supporting international development goals. But in practice, Tate & Lyle executives claim that this restricts its ability to tap into the global market price and says the EU-generated cost on each of the giant cargo ships that pull up at its wharf on the Thames can reach €2-3m a time."

www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/27/brexit-sugar-beet-cane-tate-lyle-british-sugar

SuckingDieselFella · 14/06/2020 14:59

What a surprise, I'd never have guessed.

Arts/soc sci student? Tick.

Gen Z? Tick.

Pronouns? Tick.

Loves equality but seems to have a problem with men, particularly white men? Tick.

A distant relationship with facts? Tick.

This fact-free clickbait is an insult to feminism. Or anyone with a brain.

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Am I a feminist? YES! & proud
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SuckingDieselFella · 14/06/2020 15:07

feministyes.com/on-wednesdays-we-wear-pink/

Watch her vlog if you want tips on how to argue with a Tory, a lecture on disability, how to protect your self esteem and how to maintain your relationship in lockdown.

Yep, all in the same vlog. Shame she's got a double chin from all her baking. The struggle is real.

Are young women really as woke and vacuous as this?

user1471565182 · 14/06/2020 15:10

Quite an angry little man arnt you there, sucking

SuckingDieselFella · 14/06/2020 15:41

I'm not a man.

But thanks for that highly intelligent response.

Peregrina · 14/06/2020 17:37

I don't think the US stood firm against racism - or to defend freedom. You only have to look at what is happening there now, yet how many years ago were the bus boycotts and Martin Luther King? They saw it as a wonderful opportunity to stick it to the British Empire.

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