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Mother in law lied about getting coldsores HELP

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Natashabobasha1 · 09/06/2020 06:00

Hello everyone. When my child was 4 months old I issued a blanket rule to both my own family and my husband's:no kissing my baby!
She's now 10 months old.Now I'm prepared to let people kiss the top of her head. But NO FACE KISSES!

Note: I don't care if someone gets coldsores, I just dont want my child to get them from caregivers.

My husband's family has a tendency of getting cold sores...very rarely..BUT his sister is affected very regularly...severely! Almost every week in the winter, and every time I see them, I scheme and plot to hold my baby and NOT pass her around since I've never had an open dialogue with her or his family about it. I feel stressed, sweaty and shaky whenever she's around my baby with an outbreak because of this.

In order to keep myself from losing my mind, I've told everyone via whatsapp message and in person not to kiss my baby. Nobody has ever kissed my baby's mouth. Ever.

My husband's sister kissed her on the forehead and had a cold sore coming when she was 4 months old. I spotted the redness and when I gently questioned her, almost whispering "you aren't getting a cold sore, are you?"
She said "no...why??? " and then her hand shot up to her mouth and she jumped back..then sat down...it was obvious she'd just forgotten she was getting one at the time.... but my husband's family doesn't talk about a lot of things directly, so it's that much harder for me....
The last time I saw her, that very same redness had turned into a very big cold sore.

I have explained to his incredulous parents that saliva can get into a baby's mucous membranes with or without an outbreak.

My MIL(mother-in-law)said her husband doesn't get them. She flat out lied. He does get them. HE even said so during that very same conversation. Then, this week, i video chatted with her and SHE HAD ONE. It made me so angry. But I didn't confront her. I took screenshots of her face like a crazy person.

She has reluctantly agreed to our request, but seems like his parents had no idea (and still don't believe) that it was even contagious and they say it's from stress and not a virus.

They've obviously UNknowingly infected their own children when they were young, as their adult kids have had cold sores since childhood (my husband says so). I don't want them infecting my child out of ignorance.

When I explained that I don't share utensils or cups with my baby because I could transmit bacteria that causes cavities, MIL(mother-in-law)said "oh, but it doesn't hurt" ...I said..."yes, it can cause cavities" ...she seemed to shrug it off.

Now I'm so paranoid that she'll feed my baby with her utensils out of spite or something ..or that FIL(father-in-law)will infect my baby during an outbreak due to absent mindedness.

They are passive people...passive aggressive nowadays....and very stubborn. When my husband told his dad not to stop by unnanounced and look in all the windows, he came over that very day and peered in all the windows and stopped by anyway.

(We live 300 meters away from them and they helped with the down payment...)

They've never been problematic before my child was born, but since having her, my requesting a bit of space (calling before visiting and not having them babysit because I'm not ready to leave her) seems to offend them.

Me trying to educatethem.aboutthings falls on incredulous ears. The fact that my MIL(mother-in-law)lied to me about not getting coldsores makes me really question her credibility and now I feel like I can't trust her!!! I hate lies and I have been so hurt in the past by.people lying to me. Now, I carry resentment towardsthem.for making me feel uncomfortablein.myown home and angry that I can't trust them.

How should I handle this? Should I tell her how I feel? Should I confront her? I feel like quitting my job and not returning to work as projected in 4 months' time. They are my only babysitters.

OP posts:
user1473878824 · 09/06/2020 22:36

Do people really never take a spoonful of their baby’s food to go “mmm yum!” to get them to eat because then all their teeth will fall out? That’s batshit. My mum always did that with me and despite having lots of fillings I’ve never had one. Obviously you’d never do this if you had a cold sore but ?!?!

Pinga · 09/06/2020 23:00

I have coldsores - about once every 5 years I have a cold sore. Do I wish my parents had prevented all visitors, all relatives, all friends from ever kissing me as a baby/toddler - er no! Its just a cold sore. A mild irritation treated easily with blisteze, job done. Even once a year wouldn't bother me tbh. Once a month maybe yes but how likely is that? Not very I shouldn't think.
You are over thinking this

WaterOffADucksCrack · 09/06/2020 23:03

let's let mouth kissing be a lover's thing and swapping spit be for sex, thank you. Why are you trying to sexualise sharing a utensil with your child? I'm genuinely concerned why anyone would do so.

2007Millie · 09/06/2020 23:07

You need serious mental help.

Swiftsseason · 09/06/2020 23:12

Op I've not trawled through 17 pages but some people are obsessed with sharing their saliva with other people.
Including their children or grandchildren or each other etc.
Yes, adults with tooth issues can pass on bacteria that causes cavities! Why would anyone need to pass these on to a vulnerable child?

You don't need to show a baby love via sharing a spoon or licking an ice cream.

You don't need to show a small baby love by passing on the cold sore virus...

WHICH CAN KILL.

What's wrong with these people?
Op your not anxious. Your surrounded by arrogant arse holes who won't behave in a civilised and respectful manner.

They have clearly no interest in what you say or they would have googled cold sores and educated themselves.
They can't be bothered and they don't respect you. Some people act like that are germ free
In fact I saw an article saying its people like this who couldn't believe they could possibly infect people are the ones who put the rest of us at risk from covid.

I had 2 new borns in winter, with norivus... Huge flu rates.

The sensible kind relatives would automatically wash hands on arrival before hugging baby, never kissing and if they forgot, they happily washed their hands and didn't take it like some mad insult.

By the time those fragile babies were 2, I didn't even think about people washing hands but it's a mother's instincts to protect a tiny baby.

Other visitors including a very sick fil (told us after he had stuck his claw into dd mouth) 🤮🤮 very rude and arrogant. Can't think of anyone but themselves, they made me feel anxious because they are rude and unreasonable!

Op I feel for you.

CtrlU · 09/06/2020 23:16

I don’t think your being unreasonable. I wouldn’t want someone with cold sores kissing my child or possibly passing the herpes simplex virus to them...I’m unsure why most people on here think that’s strange Confused
Typical mumsnet

Swiftsseason · 09/06/2020 23:19

Also the difference is '' oh I can't cuddle baby x today, my cold saw is flaring up, in a few weeks... It will be fine '' Trust, responsibility, maturity.

To... 'what cold sore? What this great red crust on my lip? This volcano sitting there? That's not a cold sore....' 'licks lips and lurches for the tiny new born...

No maturity, no responsibility.... No bloody trust!!

Natashabobasha1 · 10/06/2020 02:06

Yeah, the responses keep comin! I'm writing for those not reading the 17 pages of responses...

I do appreciate all of the responses
All the colours of the rainbow! Haha. I understand there are three camps:

"I'm germ-free! I get to slobber all over your kid! You disgust me with thinking saliva sharing should be left to lovers!!! Let me at that kid! Death to OP! She wants her in-laws dead! Pathetic! Vile! Burn herrr!"

And

"I didn't read any of this. You're insane! Get help! Therapy is the only way! She's going to ruin her kid! Call protective services! Lalala I can't hear you lalala! I'm not going to think critically about anything EVER!"

And:

"You are not being unreasonable about having people keep their saliva in their own mouths because I know of the dangers or I've been affected somehow".

I'm NOT against kissing, mums! I'm limiting the TYPE and location of kisses. Face no...hand no...mouth no. Head, yes! On top of clothing, sure!

Just. Don't. Lie. To. Me. About. My. Baby's. Care. Period!

So...

Keep mouth kissing your kids and feeding them with the utensils you just put in your mouth if YOU want to. It's NOT a crime!

But: Just leave my kid out of it til she's older and can speak for herself. That's my choice as a mom... I'm not a bubble mom. My kid has been on 8 flights and goes outside for long walks 3x per day! She loves the outdoors! We have fun!

But...

I will address these trust issues with my in-laws, though. THAT is really important to me. I want my child to have a good relationship with her grandparents. This is why this topic is so important to me. Had they just said "okay, we understand that they can be contagious and dangerous. We'll be super careful" I would not be posting at all. I don't need them for babysitting. I WANT them in my child's life. Actively. But there has got to be a conversation...because I'm just not feeling right about it.

I will broach the subject again...try try again, right? I owe it to my child.

You've all helped me immensely. Thanks!

OP posts:
MashedSpud · 10/06/2020 02:16

Just keep the kid in a bubble.

Natashabobasha1 · 10/06/2020 02:52

Ok, mashedspudWink

OP posts:
Lalala89 · 10/06/2020 03:26

I don't live in America or UK and you sound abit unhinged. It's my worst nightmare to end up having a daughter in law. Please just be kind and take a deep breath.

LunaMuffinTop · 10/06/2020 03:44

I have great idea that you could try OP lock your daughter up throw away the key and never let her see the light of day again that way you know she’s safe from everything or you could stop acting like a fucking nutcase and get yourself some mental help before you pass on your crazy insane ways to your poor DD. Do yourself and your DD a massive favour give your head a good wobble and get a grip you lunatic.

Babyboomtastic · 10/06/2020 05:50

Wow.
You banned your own husband, the baby's own father, someone who should have equal status as a parent as your from kissing his own child in the cheek from 4-10 months.

You lost me at that point tbh.

Of course people shouldn't kiss babies with active cold sores, but banning a peck on the cheek when you don't have a cold sore is weirdly controlling and batshitery of the highest order.

PhilCornwall1 · 10/06/2020 05:50

You've all helped me immensely. Thanks!

And breath!!!

(Posted by someone who gets...... COLDSORES. Burn me, I'm pox ridden!!!)

Natashabobasha1 · 10/06/2020 05:51

Oh, ok LunaMuffinTop. Your post sounds pretty unhinged. Feel better soon, hun!

OP posts:
Natashabobasha1 · 10/06/2020 05:57

I don't even kiss her on the cheek atm. Her face is so tiny atm... and asymptomatic shedding is a thing... read upthread at your peril.

We are equal parents..

OP posts:
Natashabobasha1 · 10/06/2020 05:58

The verb is "breathe"...breath is a noun...

Ok. Bye!

OP posts:
PhilCornwall1 · 10/06/2020 06:10

The verb is "breathe"...breath is a noun...

Indeed and this was noted after I posted, but couldn't be arsed to post a correction. Autocorrect is a bugger sometimes.

Bye to you too (or is it to or two? Hmm)

Ohtherewearethen · 10/06/2020 06:19

Your description of the 'three camps' is pathetic. Anyway, let's hope you've got the attention you so crave after posting exactly the same thing on multiple sites.
Just a thought - if you speak to your in-laws the way you do on here is it any wonder you don't have a good relationship?!

SionnachGlic · 10/06/2020 06:20

I will address these trust issues with my in-laws, though. THAT is really important to me. I want my child to have a good relationship with her grandparents.

So go do that then OP....& maybe you can stop with your ranting aggressive posts.

I'm out...have a wonderful day/life! Smile

Babyboomtastic · 10/06/2020 06:20

Natashabobasha1

Your poor child is probably craving a good cuddle and a kiss. I feel quite worried for their emotional well-being.

Your do know that sterility and babies doesn't work right? That your 10 month old well soon be trying to lick the floor, drink out of the cats water bowl, stuck their own bathwater (that they may have weed on), and everything will go in their mouth. Every your that you give them week be exposed to your hand germs (and obviously people in touch their faces and mouths) and the toy will be in her mouth and if that's not happening now (unlikely) it soon will be, hundreds of times a day, literally. My slightly older baby likes to run food between her toes before she eats it Confused. A kid on the cheek by someone without a cold sore is the least of your problems...

Babyboomtastic · 10/06/2020 06:22

Sorry, lots of typos.

Drink their own bathwater
Every toy you give them will be exposed to your hand germs.

2020canfuckoff · 10/06/2020 06:25

Is this the coldsores/genital herpes poster?

PurpleFlower1983 · 10/06/2020 06:25

You really need to calm down or being a parent is going to be an awful experience for you. Have an open discussion about the cold sores if you need to and then maybe seek help from your HV about your anxiety.

Stuckforthefourthtime · 10/06/2020 06:44

@2020canfuckoff
Is this the coldsores/genital herpes poster?
Ew is that a thing? Envy