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Mother in law lied about getting coldsores HELP

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Natashabobasha1 · 09/06/2020 06:00

Hello everyone. When my child was 4 months old I issued a blanket rule to both my own family and my husband's:no kissing my baby!
She's now 10 months old.Now I'm prepared to let people kiss the top of her head. But NO FACE KISSES!

Note: I don't care if someone gets coldsores, I just dont want my child to get them from caregivers.

My husband's family has a tendency of getting cold sores...very rarely..BUT his sister is affected very regularly...severely! Almost every week in the winter, and every time I see them, I scheme and plot to hold my baby and NOT pass her around since I've never had an open dialogue with her or his family about it. I feel stressed, sweaty and shaky whenever she's around my baby with an outbreak because of this.

In order to keep myself from losing my mind, I've told everyone via whatsapp message and in person not to kiss my baby. Nobody has ever kissed my baby's mouth. Ever.

My husband's sister kissed her on the forehead and had a cold sore coming when she was 4 months old. I spotted the redness and when I gently questioned her, almost whispering "you aren't getting a cold sore, are you?"
She said "no...why??? " and then her hand shot up to her mouth and she jumped back..then sat down...it was obvious she'd just forgotten she was getting one at the time.... but my husband's family doesn't talk about a lot of things directly, so it's that much harder for me....
The last time I saw her, that very same redness had turned into a very big cold sore.

I have explained to his incredulous parents that saliva can get into a baby's mucous membranes with or without an outbreak.

My MIL(mother-in-law)said her husband doesn't get them. She flat out lied. He does get them. HE even said so during that very same conversation. Then, this week, i video chatted with her and SHE HAD ONE. It made me so angry. But I didn't confront her. I took screenshots of her face like a crazy person.

She has reluctantly agreed to our request, but seems like his parents had no idea (and still don't believe) that it was even contagious and they say it's from stress and not a virus.

They've obviously UNknowingly infected their own children when they were young, as their adult kids have had cold sores since childhood (my husband says so). I don't want them infecting my child out of ignorance.

When I explained that I don't share utensils or cups with my baby because I could transmit bacteria that causes cavities, MIL(mother-in-law)said "oh, but it doesn't hurt" ...I said..."yes, it can cause cavities" ...she seemed to shrug it off.

Now I'm so paranoid that she'll feed my baby with her utensils out of spite or something ..or that FIL(father-in-law)will infect my baby during an outbreak due to absent mindedness.

They are passive people...passive aggressive nowadays....and very stubborn. When my husband told his dad not to stop by unnanounced and look in all the windows, he came over that very day and peered in all the windows and stopped by anyway.

(We live 300 meters away from them and they helped with the down payment...)

They've never been problematic before my child was born, but since having her, my requesting a bit of space (calling before visiting and not having them babysit because I'm not ready to leave her) seems to offend them.

Me trying to educatethem.aboutthings falls on incredulous ears. The fact that my MIL(mother-in-law)lied to me about not getting coldsores makes me really question her credibility and now I feel like I can't trust her!!! I hate lies and I have been so hurt in the past by.people lying to me. Now, I carry resentment towardsthem.for making me feel uncomfortablein.myown home and angry that I can't trust them.

How should I handle this? Should I tell her how I feel? Should I confront her? I feel like quitting my job and not returning to work as projected in 4 months' time. They are my only babysitters.

OP posts:
mathanxiety · 09/06/2020 19:32

@Hoggleludo, what are you on about?

Americans get a cold and go on an IV?
They can buy oxygen in a tank?

I live in the US. Eagerly awaiting a sensible response.

WinnieWonder · 09/06/2020 19:38

I'd be exasperated too OP!

D1ngledanglers · 09/06/2020 19:47

You sound hard work tbh although I get your concerns.
It may be that your "educating" is causing the lying.
If you feel you can't trust your ILs then you need to sort out a childminder or nursery. ILs won't be happy & I don't suppose the extra cost will be factored in.
Thing is, you won't change them or the way they behave. Mil obviously thinks she's brought kids up before & her ways worked then. So, I wouldn't "have it out with her", it'll only cause lots of bad feeling....

WaterOffADucksCrack · 09/06/2020 20:04

I don't agree with them lying or kissing the child at all if they have coldsores as they can be fatal. However, thoughts on the rest of it purely from page one:

They are my only babysitters You'll have to pay for a babysitting service then.

I think the responses so far are probably from people who suffer from coldsores already Nope never had one.

people were calling for the death of my inlaws If they're saying your inlaws deserve to be murdered for this then they need professional help because that is insane. However you sound proud of that so it seems as if you are more of a risk to them.

let's let mouth kissing be a lover's thing and swapping spit be for sex, thank you. It's very worrying from a safeguarding view that your mind went to sexualising kissing a child and sharing utensils with a child.

You've also had numerous variations of "maybe people think X because they do Y". Like you can't stand other's having a different opinion or saying YABU so you need to justify it in your own head.

Your child sounds at risk from your paranoia and the state of your mental health. There is help out there for you but you need to be willing to seek it

scheffsm · 09/06/2020 20:08

I don't think I'm health anxious... I have anxieties of a FTM that became heightened after denials of reality...

What are anxieties of a FTM?

BruceWilllis · 09/06/2020 20:16

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DamnYankee · 09/06/2020 20:25

@Natashabobasha1

Sorry you are upset. I agree with you on the utensil thing. My SIL would not let her DD feed herself for the longest time (a story for another time Hmm) and would routinely share a utensil with her.
DD ended up with a cavity that became so badly infected, it had to be removed so it wouldn't destroy the permanent tooth underneath it.
Adults have certain bacteria in their mouths small children have no protection against and it's more common than people realize. Those little back molars are especially vulnerable.
My SIL felt horrible!!

CorianderLord · 09/06/2020 20:37

I find it interesting that people say the UK cares less about their appearance than elsewhere. Maybe in the over 40s but young people are intensely looks-conscious.

Every single one of my friends who had even a bit of crookedness has had braces. Most have facials and use expensive skincare. I'd say I know at least 15 people with fillers or Botox.

I'm unsure why the world still has this notion that people have shocking teeth and pockmarked faces. It's not the 1970s.

CorianderLord · 09/06/2020 20:39

The over 40s comment was mostly about teeth not the other things, I know people care for their appearance but most haven't had braces/ often have gold fillings etc.

OpenTheCurtainsPleaseDear · 09/06/2020 20:42

Have you spoken to your HV about your anxiety?

Natashabobasha1 · 09/06/2020 20:44

Oh yes, and I'll calm down and try talking about the subject with in-laws once more . It's gotten bigger in my head from holding it all in.... I'll know what I have to do if they continue to lie or won't listen to my concerns: No babysitting for them and selling house and giving them back their money. If I'm able to make peace with them and clarify and establish trust, I'll keep on keeping on...we'll see. Wish us luck!

OP posts:
66redballons · 09/06/2020 21:04

You need some help, you don’t live in a bubble.
What will you do when your kids kiss their grandparents ! Or anyone for that matter.
Calm yourself down, don’t burst a gasket.

Brefugee · 09/06/2020 21:06

Oh OP that was whole heap of how to parent to a load of experienced parents from a FTM. I'd NEVER have thought of any of that.
Grin

Quartz2208 · 09/06/2020 21:10

Parent how you want, but keep your child at the forefront.

Well yes but that doesnt mean transferring your anxieties onto her, denying her a loving relationship with her grandparents and giving her mixed messages

They need to respect your views yes but I think you need to figure out how nest to deliver them that doesnt mean you come across as that parent

Stuckforthefourthtime · 09/06/2020 21:17

Great to hear you'll have a chat with them. I understand how it feels to be concerned, you clearly have put so much time and energy into making sure she is well cared for and protected and it is so nerve-wracking to think of someone else being responsible, I have been there too.

The first time I left my 10 month-old eldest alone with my mother (parent to 5, grandmother to 4 before mine and auntie to innumerable cousins)... I left a detailed breakdown of how to spend the day, in 30 minute sections, plus guidance on how to give a bottle, how to rock him to sleep, how to apply sunscreen, and far more. Bless her, she followed all the rules, but now I do blush a bit, because I see how adaptable babies are, and how some variety in caring is good. She discovered all new ways to please and support and develop my children, as did my MIL.

If they are otherwise caring, it truly sounds that they were mistaken and underinformed and not lying. Having your child cared for by loving grandparents will bring more love and experiences into her life, and will certainly be less germ-filled than the average nursery full of sneezes and hugs. I think that if you push too hard, one day you will look back and wonder why you gave up a relationship with your children's grandparents, a house and a career, because a lady hadn't realised she might be getting a spot on her lip - and that will be sad for every one of you.

Hohohole · 09/06/2020 21:20

Natashabobasha1 you're a hoot!

ProudMarys · 09/06/2020 21:20

The last few sentences of pp in a nutshell. It would be very sad.

ProudMarys · 09/06/2020 21:21

From @Stuckforthefourthtime Grin

SoloMummy · 09/06/2020 21:22

@Natashabobasha1

I think the responses so far are probably from people who suffer from coldsores already... ...

But I'd like to know WHAT to do. It's about dishonesty and trust. It's not about herpes...

70% of the UK population suffer at some point from coldsores.
AuntieBiotic · 09/06/2020 21:38

Why do they feel the need to kiss your child anyway, use covid 19 as an obvious reason why they shouldn't kiss her and basically keep the no kissing mantra up

Griselda1 I’d say many grandparents (myself included ) instinctively want to kiss/cuddle their grandchildren because they love them more then life itself. I’ve not seen my DGC for nearly 6 months now and I wish I could reach through the computer screen and give them a kiss and cuddle. Along with their mother they are my favourite people in the world.

Springisintheair2 · 09/06/2020 21:43

Never had a cold sore. I do know a girl whose little boy died at 4 weeks old from a stroke brought on after being kissed by someone with a cold sore and he contracted herpes simplex. The worst thing for her was not knowing which one of her friends or relatives killed her baby. Horrible affair :( I don't think you're overreacting about that. However not sharing your utensils is a bit... Much.

Wannabegreenfingers · 09/06/2020 21:56

Havent read the whole thread, but what I did is batshit. Your doctor told you not to let anyone with an active cold sore hold the baby?! So what about mothers with active cold sores, should they not hold their own babies????

Ive suffered all my life and around 2 or 3 times a year I get one cold sore always in the same place. I have never passed it to anyone, including my children. I dont kiss them when its active or touch my face or share a cup, you get the picture.

It is perfectly easy not to pass it on.

Karenista · 09/06/2020 22:14

My mother has had cold sores since forever - way before I was born. I’ve never been infected, and neither have my siblings or father, because she’s very careful when one is coming.
I think you are being over cautious. Especially with sharing my utensils with baby and bacteria cross over... I’m wondering whether these anxieties could progress if you keep feeding them.

iwilltaketwoplease · 09/06/2020 22:24

There's no need to kiss a baby especially when you have a flare up of cold sores, YANBU!

I'd absolutely hit the roof if someone who supposedly cared for my DD lied and kissed her with a virus.

Tell them straight up if they cannot respect your wishes then they can no longer babysit.

iwilltaketwoplease · 09/06/2020 22:26

My aunt always had cold sores and now her daughter has them too, I'd never share any utensils or a glass.