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Mother in law lied about getting coldsores HELP

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Natashabobasha1 · 09/06/2020 06:00

Hello everyone. When my child was 4 months old I issued a blanket rule to both my own family and my husband's:no kissing my baby!
She's now 10 months old.Now I'm prepared to let people kiss the top of her head. But NO FACE KISSES!

Note: I don't care if someone gets coldsores, I just dont want my child to get them from caregivers.

My husband's family has a tendency of getting cold sores...very rarely..BUT his sister is affected very regularly...severely! Almost every week in the winter, and every time I see them, I scheme and plot to hold my baby and NOT pass her around since I've never had an open dialogue with her or his family about it. I feel stressed, sweaty and shaky whenever she's around my baby with an outbreak because of this.

In order to keep myself from losing my mind, I've told everyone via whatsapp message and in person not to kiss my baby. Nobody has ever kissed my baby's mouth. Ever.

My husband's sister kissed her on the forehead and had a cold sore coming when she was 4 months old. I spotted the redness and when I gently questioned her, almost whispering "you aren't getting a cold sore, are you?"
She said "no...why??? " and then her hand shot up to her mouth and she jumped back..then sat down...it was obvious she'd just forgotten she was getting one at the time.... but my husband's family doesn't talk about a lot of things directly, so it's that much harder for me....
The last time I saw her, that very same redness had turned into a very big cold sore.

I have explained to his incredulous parents that saliva can get into a baby's mucous membranes with or without an outbreak.

My MIL(mother-in-law)said her husband doesn't get them. She flat out lied. He does get them. HE even said so during that very same conversation. Then, this week, i video chatted with her and SHE HAD ONE. It made me so angry. But I didn't confront her. I took screenshots of her face like a crazy person.

She has reluctantly agreed to our request, but seems like his parents had no idea (and still don't believe) that it was even contagious and they say it's from stress and not a virus.

They've obviously UNknowingly infected their own children when they were young, as their adult kids have had cold sores since childhood (my husband says so). I don't want them infecting my child out of ignorance.

When I explained that I don't share utensils or cups with my baby because I could transmit bacteria that causes cavities, MIL(mother-in-law)said "oh, but it doesn't hurt" ...I said..."yes, it can cause cavities" ...she seemed to shrug it off.

Now I'm so paranoid that she'll feed my baby with her utensils out of spite or something ..or that FIL(father-in-law)will infect my baby during an outbreak due to absent mindedness.

They are passive people...passive aggressive nowadays....and very stubborn. When my husband told his dad not to stop by unnanounced and look in all the windows, he came over that very day and peered in all the windows and stopped by anyway.

(We live 300 meters away from them and they helped with the down payment...)

They've never been problematic before my child was born, but since having her, my requesting a bit of space (calling before visiting and not having them babysit because I'm not ready to leave her) seems to offend them.

Me trying to educatethem.aboutthings falls on incredulous ears. The fact that my MIL(mother-in-law)lied to me about not getting coldsores makes me really question her credibility and now I feel like I can't trust her!!! I hate lies and I have been so hurt in the past by.people lying to me. Now, I carry resentment towardsthem.for making me feel uncomfortablein.myown home and angry that I can't trust them.

How should I handle this? Should I tell her how I feel? Should I confront her? I feel like quitting my job and not returning to work as projected in 4 months' time. They are my only babysitters.

OP posts:
Jeremyironsnothing · 09/06/2020 10:11

Once I realised you didn't mean clean cutlery, you make much more sense.

It's perfectly reasonable to ask them not to put cutlery straight from their mouth into theirs.
It's also perfectly reasonable to ask them not to kiss her with an active sore. Not so much when they don't.

I get the issue is more about trust in general though. I guess what has put the back up in a lot of posters, is your aggressive accusations and responses.

I do get occasional cold sores. I've never passed them on to my children because I didn't kiss them with an active cold sore. I did kiss them though.

It just means being sensible, but not being able to trust them does cloud the issue.

Do you let dh kiss her ever? Or can you trust him to only do it when he doesn't have them? If you never let dh kiss her ever, you are being really unreasonable.

blardiblabla · 09/06/2020 10:13

I'm commenting without reading the full thread, so apologies if I have missed any developments. OP, I do understand where you are coming from, however I think you have become very paranoid and neurotic about this, and them. Yes, coldsores can be dangerous for very young children. Yes, you should put some boundaries in place while their immune system is yet to kick in. But as your child grows older, you simply cannot control everything they come into contact with. You just can't, and it is unreasonable of you to think you can. I highly doubt your in laws would deliberately put your child at risk to spite you?! If they would, you have very different issues to deal with, tbh.

If you really can't accept any other view than your own about the danger, the presumed ignorance or spite of your in laws, maybe you need to look into some counselling for yourself. I say this out of kindness, and from a place of empathy. I really do understand the feeling of health paranoia for a child; my son had an organ transplant as a baby. He has been highly susceptible to infection since, and cold sores are a particular danger to him. In the early months after his return home, we implemented a rule of no kissing and to stay away if anyone had a cold sore. My MIL, in particular, hated it (and hated me for a little while, too). But as he's grown older, we've been able to relax those rules; he's gone to nursery, soft plays and school. His TA suffers from cold sores, and we just have to manage it. You have to learn how to be ok with the fact you simply can't control all the dangers they will face. At 10 months old, cold sores are very unlikely to be as dangerous as for a newborn. Also, if the cold sore isn't active, it isn't dangerous (just for reassurance).

Nopenotsureigiveahoot · 09/06/2020 10:14

This sounds crazy but I hate the idea of coldsores so much I would probably act the same as you, or I wouldn't have married in to the family full stop. There used to be a boy at college who got them all the time and he fancied me, but the thought of him coming near me with a coldsore frightened me. I still have that fear today. I think you are clearly overdoiing it but I reckon I would as well.

Not sure how you can prevent them from ever giving your baby the coldsores though, surely at some point the baby will want to kiss them him or herself. My son is 2 and grabs me for a kiss on the lips.

soruff · 09/06/2020 10:15

Am I right to assume this is your first?
You can't have seen what any little darling will put in it's mouth at toddler stage, especially if you have a garden.
Relax, breathe, enjoy.
[apologies if this has been covered already]

fodderbeet · 09/06/2020 10:16

This thread highlights that fact that although we share a similar language, the US is a very different place, with different ideas - a different country. Blemishes/appearance are a much bigger deal there - chicken pox, cold sores, bad teeth etc, whereas they're barely noticed here. An British perspective on an American problem is never going to end well, and it's a bit naive of the OP to ask on an overseas website.

Serin · 09/06/2020 10:17

As far as I'm aware no one in my family has had a cold sore.
Yet DD nearly died from herpes simplex (was in ICU at Alder Hey) when she contracted it a couple of weeks prior to her 4th birthday.
It's not just spread by kissing, like Corona virus it can survive on surfaces and in the air.
I understand your fear and would speak to your in laws about your anxiety but ultimately, it's potentially everywhere and you cant avoid nurseries/schools/play areas/friends and supermarkets forever.
Be very careful not to pass on your anxiety to her OP.

showmewhatyougot · 09/06/2020 10:17
Biscuit
Ninkanink · 09/06/2020 10:19

I’m not saying everyone who disagrees has herpes. But I'm wondering if people are calling me crazy because they have herpes already or have passed it on.

Of course not. Don’t be ridiculous.

People are ‘calling you crazy’ because the way you’re behaving on this thread you’re coming across completely unhinged. Calm the fuck down, for your own sake.

Not going to read the rest of the thread, and not going to engage further, because you’re coming across a bit too mad for any sensible discourse. But just to be clear, you’re not wrong on the herpes thing, I’d be very angry at people wilfully putting my baby at risk in that respect.

cordeliae · 09/06/2020 10:21

You sound fucking insaneConfused

Sonotech · 09/06/2020 10:22

@fodderbeet

This thread highlights that fact that although we share a similar language, the US is a very different place, with different ideas - a different country. Blemishes/appearance are a much bigger deal there - chicken pox, cold sores, bad teeth etc, whereas they're barely noticed here. An British perspective on an American problem is never going to end well, and it's a bit naive of the OP to ask on an overseas website.
It’s not an American problem and U.K regularly share science data. In fact people go over to USA for treatment they can’t get here
tipsyandtim · 09/06/2020 10:22

Google tells me 70% of people in the UK have the cold sore virus orally, most catch it in childhood. So even those who say they don’t have it, or nobody in their family does- it’s very likely they just don’t get visible or noticeable outbreaks.

Sonotech · 09/06/2020 10:23

In fact out dental hygiene is embarrassing compared to US standards

TheoneandObi · 09/06/2020 10:24

Oh and I have a friend who is a midwife who gets cold sores triggered by v cold weather and lots of sunshine. Granted she doesn't kiss the babies she delivers, but I'm pretty sure she doesn't go off sick when she has them.

Dementeddotcom · 09/06/2020 10:24

I 100% AGREE WITH YOU OP! I would not let anyone infected with the herpes simplex virus kiss my baby, or anyone kiss my baby for that matter! It’s weird and gross. Good on you for being a good mum and not letting your baby get infected

TryingToBeBold · 09/06/2020 10:26

Considering my 1yo loves to eat ants dirt and flowers.. I'm not too concerned.

Just wait until your precious baby is having underage unprotected sex and catches herpes that way..

Dougalthesyrianhamster · 09/06/2020 10:26

OP you need to get some help. Some sort of counselling to cope with these obsessions.

Also, a cold sore can only adversely affect babies in the first few weeks of life.

No, I do not get cold sores!

Spied · 09/06/2020 10:29

I think you need to take a step back as you've run too far with this.
Your MH sounds like it's more of a threat to you and your family than the issue of cold sores (you've taken it all a little far).

Dougalthesyrianhamster · 09/06/2020 10:29

"She's our for three walks a day"

I thought you said she wasn't a dog?

Dougalthesyrianhamster · 09/06/2020 10:31

@Natashabobasha1 You can pass herpes on without having active coldsores! Hellooo!

NO YOU CANNOT

🤣

Atalune · 09/06/2020 10:33

You sound horrible and hard work.

Obviously don’t kiss if you have cold sores. That’s a given.

ALL THE OTHER STUFF makes you sound nuts.

RunningAwaywiththeCircus · 09/06/2020 10:39

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WittyUser · 09/06/2020 10:39

In fact out dental hygiene is embarrassing compared to US standards

Not to derail, but this isn't true... www.ucl.ac.uk/eastman/news/2015/dec/us-vs-uk-who-has-better-teeth

fairlyplump · 09/06/2020 10:39

You sound one crazy momma !!

Nestofvipers · 09/06/2020 10:39

@Intergalactica
The NHS link you’ve posted refers to neonatal herpes and is relevant for babies under 4 weeks old. The OP says her baby is 10 months old so neonatal herpes isn’t relevant in this case.

mrsBtheparker · 09/06/2020 10:43

If she's 10 months old and you're 'not ready to leave her' then you have more problems with yourself rather than your in-laws.