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To be utterly disgusted by the protests today.

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SoggySocksAgain · 08/06/2020 00:26

Am I alone here?

I am utterly disgusted by what I have seen in the news.

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Oliversmumsarmy · 09/06/2020 08:07

I don’t know much of Bristol’s history
If you are really going to target Colston then surely you need to tear down everything he built or gave money to. He was also a philanthropist so I am sure his name lives on in the fabric houses, churches and other buildings in Bristol

If black lives mattered they would stay home.

Interesting to see the spike of deaths in a few weeks time

Oliversmumsarmy · 09/06/2020 08:12

If there is no problem in the UK, why did the thousands turn out

Probably wanting a day out after being in for so long

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 09/06/2020 08:14

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BubblesBuddy · 09/06/2020 08:16

Before you post, you do need to read up on Colston Oliversmumsarmy. Yes, he has quite a few buildings named after him that he endowed. Colston didn’t just trade in slavery either. He had a wider trade empire than that.

BubblesBuddy · 09/06/2020 08:18

Pulling down symbols doesn’t make any difference to the number of black people im prison, lack of job opportunities and racist comments directed at black people.

mandass · 09/06/2020 08:21

This kind of protest is completely out of control.

crumpledhorn · 09/06/2020 08:22

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EveryDayIsADuvetDay · 09/06/2020 08:26

I'm proud to have joined the London protests.
They were largely peaceful, with most people wearing masks and it was easy to stay in less crowded areas if you wanted to.
A couple of dozen maybe got involved in violent protest and activities ib the evening - they do not speak for the thousands of peaceful protestors, nor do they control them. To suggest that is akin to stating that every police officer worldwide has the same attitudes as Derek Chauvin.

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ilovemydogandMrObama · 09/06/2020 08:33

@SusieOwl4

Why did the thousands who were protesting peacefully not stop the tiny minority who were acting totally illegally.?
If this is in reference to Bristol, the chief of Police made a decision not to get involved, which was totally the right decision. There were no arrests.

Not sure why people would get involved Confused

Mittens030869 · 09/06/2020 08:39

Can't find it in myself to get up in arms about a polyester flag

Nor me. Mind you, seeing it carried and worn by the fascist National Front in the 70s kind of sullied it a bit for me.

Same here. I think far too much significance is given to national flags anyway, and they can become very divisive.

AnnaMagnani · 09/06/2020 08:56

@Packingsoapandwater the story of why the statue of Colston wasn't removed earlier is very interesting.

There has been a long campaign to have it removed, or at least to have a plaque that made it clear that he was a slave trader, and that his acts of philanthropy were not as philanthropic as the statue makes out - they were only for those of the 'right' religion and politics.

However all attempts to do this have been blocked and watered down for years, apparently due to the influential society called the 'Society of Merchant Venturers'. They seem to be a self elected but very wealthy and influential group in Bristol with places on all the boards of governors, charities etc and while it might be clear what the people and politicians have wanted, they have been blocking things for decades.

www.brh.org.uk/site/articles/the-edward-colston-corrective-plaque/

Also turns out Colston wasn't that popular and nobody really wanted his statue putting up in the first place

www.brh.org.uk/site/articles/myths-within-myths/

pam290358 · 09/06/2020 09:19

Attacking Churchill is a bit rich, or have we forgotten why WW2 was fought ? Methinks things would be a lot worse under the Nazi jackboot.

AnotherElle · 09/06/2020 09:30

They haven't done themselves any favours at all and have shown disrespect to this country and will find that disrespect returned to them.

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WarmSausageTea · 09/06/2020 09:38

Another interesting article about Colston.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/jun/08/who-was-edward-colston-and-why-was-his-bristol-statue-toppled-slave-trader-black-lives-matter-protests?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

Not only did he profit from the selling of 100,000, which is indefensible, but graphic content warning, his company branded the slaves – including women and children – with its RAC initials on their chests.

Some people have said that slavery was legal in those times, acceptable even, and that we should somehow view events through the prism of the past. Well, maybe it was legal, but it was never right, and who ever thought it was acceptable to brand human flesh? He’s long dead and past caring, but it makes me angry, and I’m happy that the statue commemorating him has been torn down. Fuck him, and fuck his justifiers/apologists.

YankeeinKingArthursCourt · 09/06/2020 09:45

@crumpledhorn
"They" should be "deported" ? Who? Only BAME (British) protesters? To where?
@anotherelle you support her comments?

Read about Colston & legacy of slavery (on the British economy) & then comment. Bristol mayor said he understood & the statue was "offensive". These were Bristol residents, not "they".

@pam290358
Read about Churchill's comments on people from Pakistan, India, Aborigines, Native Americans etc & rethink whether he was racist.

And no-one actually burned a flag- watch the video

isitfridayyet1 · 09/06/2020 09:48

@AnotherElle chances are if you weren't onside before the protests you won't be onside no matter what statue is removed or defaced. Obviously you're among many people who are just not interested in equality.

isitfridayyet1 · 09/06/2020 09:53

@AnotherElle if your actually opened your eyes and stopped being blatantly racist then you'd see the people who toppled the statue were in fact White! So are you going to turn on white people now too? Your ignorance to facts is laughable. So where would you like them to be deported to? I guess you'll go silent now Hmm

Packingsoapandwater · 09/06/2020 10:02

apparently due to the influential society called the 'Society of Merchant Venturers'. They seem to be a self elected but very wealthy and influential group in Bristol with places on all the boards of governors, charities etc and while it might be clear what the people and politicians have wanted, they have been blocking things for decades.

But why have they done this?

I know from experience that to engage in this kind of resistance means some people had a very vested interest in that statue remaining where it was. It's a lot of work and effort to continually push for a policy against the tide of public opinion in this manner.

So why? What's the reason for their position? Because I think it could be very illuminating to discover why they've continually blocked the removal.

graphic content warning, his company branded the slaves – including women and children – with its RAC initials on their chests.

I suspect the majority of those branded would have been women and children. Henry Louis Gates has done a tremendous amount of very detailed work on the Atlantic slave trade, and discovered that around 75 percent of ALL African slaves trafficked to the Americas were women and children.

When l learnt that, it really shocked me but, of course, it makes logical sense. Many slaves were essentially prisoners of war/pillage/internecine violence, so many of the adult males of their tribe or family would have been killed in the process.

It's also very hard to capture an adult male and force him into chains/into a holding cell/onto a ship, unless you've a lot of manpower and weapons (and this is a time, o vs, before effective firearms).

So when we talk about the Atlantic slave trade, we are essentially talking about the trafficking of women and children, which I personally think gives the subject a very certain particular type of profundity.

AKissAndASmile · 09/06/2020 10:02

I think they've caused a divide now and as a consequence will find people who previously couldn't have cared less if they were here or not wanting them deported.

LOL, wanting who deported? Black Britons? Very bold with your comments there from the safety of your keyboard, aren't you?

ilovemydogandMrObama · 09/06/2020 10:04

@AnotherElle - sorry, but are you actually suggesting the Bristol protesters should be deported Shock

AKissAndASmile · 09/06/2020 10:04

@crumpledhorn I've reported your racist post btw

Destroyedpeople · 09/06/2020 10:05

If you are more worried about the method of the protest than in the reason s behind it then I am afraid you are a large part of the problem.

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