To wonder why schools are saying they’re not allowed to do live lessons

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Because they’ve just started doing them at my ds’s state secondary. We had to fill in an online permission form. So it is possible after all.

Nope. Concerned parents and you know it too.

CuckooCuckooClock

I think that there are a lot of parents on here that are playing at being a martyr.

Laurie's reliably posts pig-ignorant goady comments, like the goose shits, everywhere and all the time.

Wait, parents playing martyrs? Surely not.
My able year 10s are managing to produce some very high level pieces of work. Their independent study skills have developed really nicely.
I’d question how high ability a so called able year 10 was if they couldn’t manage to learn without someone spoon feeding them.

Rainuntilseptember thank you and Beawillalwaysbetopdog thank you and hope you keep safe too.

tbh I find this thread shocking
I am not in uk but my secondary dc have had online lessons almost to the regular timetable.
the programme the school uses also allows chats between individual pupils and group work.

my primary dc had one 10 min individual chats with their class teachers plus 2 hours a week lessons in main subjects, like languages and maths.

as a parent I felt supported and was able to work from home almost normally thanks to the plans and teaching support.

pupils that don't have their own equipment were able to loan from school, if internet access was an issue the pta organised 4g dongle thingies.

What aboutery is a great way for lazy teachers to look caring.

What about those with ... no internet ... no food ... no this, no that.

I know some kids are in horrendous conditions but it isn’t the majority by any means.

@bluefoxmug

pupils that don't have their own equipment were able to loan from school, if internet access was an issue the pta organised 4g dongle thingies.

Then I think this is the major difference. Technology funding for schools in England has been dire for a decade now. We can't even manage to find enough laptops for the teachers!

@CuckooCuckooClock

Wait, parents playing martyrs? Surely not. My able year 10s are managing to produce some very high level pieces of work. Their independent study skills have developed really nicely. I’d question how high ability a so called able year 10 was if they couldn’t manage to learn without someone spoon feeding them.

So would I. As long as they have the emotional support at home and can deal with being at home alone when parents are at work then I think they should be able to produce good work, technology permitting of course.

@middleofjune

What aboutery is a great way for lazy teachers to look caring.

What about those with ... no internet ... no food ... no this, no that.

I know some kids are in horrendous conditions but it isn’t the majority by any means.

As schools, we know the situation within our own communities. In my community, yes it is the majority.

There are still ways of reaching pupils Dippy, and you know it.

@middleofjune

Oh echt, the only GF is you! I am a teacher and the work we have set is utter meaningless shite, it’s embarrassing. No, I don’t want to do Zoom, but nonetheless, we could do a hell of a lot better.

Then why aren't you taking responsibility and setting better, more appropriate work? The quality (or lack of) of you work is your responsibility. You need to up your game. My DC's teachers have produced consistently good resources and lessons- why haven''t you?

I’d question how high ability a so called able year 10 was if they couldn’t manage to learn without someone spoon feeding them

Some year 10’s have disabilities and need support. This isn’t happening and a load of worksheets isn’t the answer.

I’ve been given very strict instructions as to what I can do, Polly. And it is awful. I am embarrassed about it, but it’s a big academy trust and I’m a pipsqueak at the bottom.

Support for disabilities isn't spoon feeding though is it?

What aboutery is a great way for lazy teachers to look caring

You seem lovely. You might only pretend to give a shit, but don’t project, eh?

What about those with ... no internet ... no food ... no this, no that

I know some kids are in horrendous conditions but it isn’t the majority by any means

It actually is, in some schools. It’s about half in mine.

@cardibach

It’s possible. There are all sorts of issues which have been given in numerous threads. Educationally, though, the point is that they are no better than recorded lessons and for many children much better. If you have 3 children and only one laptop, which one is going to do the live lesson and which 2 aren’t going to get any education? If the lessons are recorded they can all access them. But you know this, I’m sure.

"Educationally, though, the point is that they are no better than recorded lessons and for many children much better." Source/evidence? As a teacher I don't agree. The ones who are already hard to reach even in a classroom setting are much harder to reach online in my experience.

There are still ways of reaching pupils Dippy, and you know it

Yes. Going to their houses to deliver work. And food, often.

You’re missing the point, Smile. Education is the way out of that. And (certainly in my school) we are simply not providing it.

@middleofjune

There are still ways of reaching pupils Dippy, and you know it.

Of course there are but this whole thread is about live lessons!! I have posted about how that's not appropriate for my school community and have listed the ways my school is trying to reach our pupils: Videos streamed via Youtube that can be watched on a phone, paper packs if families want them. Live lessons are not the best way of reaching pupils in some communities.