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Original poster

To wonder why schools are saying they’re not allowed to do live lessons

752 replies

Plinkplonkplank · 07/06/2020 09:39

Because they’ve just started doing them at my ds’s state secondary. We had to fill in an online permission form. So it is possible after all.

OP posts:

FrippEnos · 07/06/2020 12:04

LaurieMarlow
fripps I think this comment very much applies to you.

I think to succeed in the face of adversity, you have to really want to.

and I think that

'there are none so blind as those who will not see'

Applies to you and many others on here

walker1891 · 07/06/2020 12:04

Our school aren’t because apparently some teachers ‘arent Comfortable’ on video. Meanwhile, in the real world, everyone else has had to get comfortable with that concept

As an teacher who is in hiding from an abusive ex, having my face online daily puts me at a massive risk if he knows where to find me or knows my place of work. I cover my tracks online hugely for this reason and refuse to put myself at risk having moved hell and earth to be safe in my new home and town. Only a select few know where I live, my surname has been changed and I would not risk the trauma of being abused again for the sake of things I can do another way.

I also do not feel it necessary to explain my rape and abuse to parents who feel it is ok to be rude about not being 'in the real world'. It is none of their business why I will not do it nor should it be acceptable to be rude to people who are not comfortable for reasons they are not required to explain.

ChocolateCard · 07/06/2020 12:08

It’s not necessary at all to show your face, no.

echt · 07/06/2020 12:08

*Sadly if your salary is safe it easier to put up barrier after barrier isn’t it? I work for myself if I can’t see clients I don’t get paid. I am not that tech savvy but had to be or no income. Had never heard of zoom now use it daily. I think that’s the difference it makes you hungrier to find solutions if you have to and Is why capitalism succeeds and socialism doesn’t

Students are not clients, and neither are you.

SmileEachDay · 07/06/2020 12:08

I’ve said this on many threads:

50% of my school do not have access to adequate tech and/or internet.

We have found other ways around remote teaching.

He structure of the learning is far more important than whether it is “live”.

ChocolateCard · 07/06/2020 12:09

Echt spectacularly missing the point, there!

Rainuntilseptember · 07/06/2020 12:11

@ChocolateCard

It’s not necessary at all to show your face, no.

I can't believe that's all you have to say to Walker's post.

echt · 07/06/2020 12:12

*Echt spectacularly missing the point, there

Nah. Spot on.

And I'm not Echt, I'm echt.

CuckooCuckooClock · 07/06/2020 12:12

What rain said

Laurie can you tell me exactly what is wrong with the oak academy online lessons? Why are these not good enough for those who want online lessons?

CuckooCuckooClock · 07/06/2020 12:16

Agree with you smile
So many education experts all of a sudden. I wonder why they can’t overcome the obstacles to educating their own children.
I am trying to teach my 5yo to read. Rather than whinge About schools being closed/not offering zoom lessons etc. I’ve learnt about how to teach someone to read ( using all this amazing new technology ) and bloody well got on with it. Where there’s a will there’s a way.

echt · 07/06/2020 12:17

Laurie can you tell me exactly what is wrong with the oak academy online lessons? Why are these not good enough for those who want online lessons?

I'll tell you.

Laurie, if I may so style her/him, is entirely invested in live lessons as some proof of...actually it's never about educational value, more about online presenteeism.

Wank of the first water.

DippyAvocado · 07/06/2020 12:17

@SmileEachDay

I’ve said this on many threads:

50% of my school do not have access to adequate tech and/or internet.

We have found other ways around remote teaching.

He structure of the learning is far more important than whether it is “live”.

Ditto. We are still delivering food packages to many of our families. There is no way in my particular school community that the majority of families can access live lessons. Most of them are not accessing the wide range of remote learning on offer - videos and in-screen explanations by me, various online platforms, paper packages have been offered for those who don't have tech (and requested by nobody). Most of my pupils are not logging on to the existing platforms, parents do not reply to emails, the chances of more than 4 or 5 logging on to a live Zoom lesson are minimal, especially as the majority of our pupils also have siblings. For some of our families, the only tech is the parent's phone run off data, not wifi. Yes, it's going to be a massive issue for us when the pupils return, but it's not possible to force engagement.

I have also said on previous threads that MN is not representative of the wider picture. Maybe if you live in a school where the majority of parents have requested live lessons then you could argue for it, but how do you know the rest of the parents even want it? I can say I certainly haven't wanted live lessons for my own DC. I don't know how we would have split the technology between them, DH and me when I was at home.

A lot of posters on here speak only for themselves. Schools have to look at the school community as a whole.

aquashiv · 07/06/2020 12:20

Much of the delay is fear of the unknown. Schools worried about safe guarding and a lack of technical no how

echt · 07/06/2020 12:20

How could have forgotten to become plinkplonplank to their first goady shitefest of a thread on MN.

CuckooCuckooClock · 07/06/2020 12:20

Yes echt that’s what I suspect too.

Beawillalwaysbetopdog · 07/06/2020 12:21

Walker

I'm sorry. Similar here, but abusive parent rather than ex.

Hope you stay safe xxx

LaurieMarlow · 07/06/2020 12:21

Where there’s a will there’s a way.

I’m doing that too.

On top of the other 40+ hour a week job that I’m paid to deliver and don’t get to slack off on.

As for Oak academy, I’d have thought that was obvious. It’s not tailored to individual classes, let alone individual pupil needs. If we want to move to this model of centralised education, then that may be the way forward, but what’s the role of a classroom teacher here?

If the sector want to radically rethink how their budgets are spent, then I’d listen to suggestions.

echt · 07/06/2020 12:22

For OP and all other Bfs.,

echt · 07/06/2020 12:23

Fuckit.

GFs.

ScrapThatThen · 07/06/2020 12:24

Dd2 watches her English lessons at 1.5 x speed because her teacher speaks too slowly 😁

SmileEachDay · 07/06/2020 12:24

Yep Dippy

I’ve spent a day a fortnight delivering hardpacks of the work we are producing to the homes of families. That would be impossible if we were doing live lessons - there would be no way of producing what we are, plus live lessons.

We’ve settled on a method that works for our school community. When Y10 are back in, we’ll be producing voiceover PPs of the lessons we’re delivering because at this point we’ll be able to supply IT to those not in school. That in itself is a logistical nightmare- and doesn’t totally solve the internet issue, but we’re happy it covers the majority.

I’m sick of people on here not acknowledging that “live lessons” are the only way schools can be providing good remote teaching.

StripyHorse · 07/06/2020 12:24

Tech ability of teachers.... our union offered some online lessons to use some of the programmes we are now expected to use. I couldn't get on because it was fully booked. I since found Google do their own training online and worked through that. I have since managed to sign up to some of the union training alongside many others, all of whom are very keen and full of questions to help make their online learning as accessible and engaging as they can. Before anyone says they would rather the teachers teach than faff about on courses.... these were all put on in the evening. This does not sound like teachers scared of the technology to me!!

No matter how much I do though, there are still children who can't access online work and still need paper packs delivering so I have to make sure it is in a format that can be accessed by both sets of students as much as possible... ppts with thorough written explanations can be printed, videos can not.

pollyskettles · 07/06/2020 12:25

Oak Academy isn't fit for purpose for us, the more able year 10s have no provision on there. Thankfully the school have stepped up to the mark.

I would also question the suitability of the OA material for younger classes, did anybody else see the 'lesson' with the woman teaching children different ways to show their love for somebody which included blowing a kiss? Such a great idea for early years children.

StripyHorse · 07/06/2020 12:26

Realised I have cross posted with SmileEachDay about pupils needing hard packs.

CuckooCuckooClock · 07/06/2020 12:27

Laurie I have no idea what you do for a living but if someone spouted a load of shit on mn about your job, and it was clear that they had no expertise in your field, how much weight would you give to their opinion?

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