Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

OP - maybe you should campaign for resumption of ‘elective’ but life-changing medical treatments instead of lifting lockdown etc? They are different things.

It’s not an either/or. Look at other places which have managed corona better.

@namenic made the point I wanted to say. Keep Lockdown for non essential but still treat priority things.

I thought the NHS was only interested in COVID cases (good PR for their 'funding' requests to see lots of pics of tired medics in COVID wards) , but actually people do seem to be getting treated for other things. A fried had an appointment this week at a hospital for her regular routine arthritis jab. Perhaps minor things that don't need an overnight be are continuing just not the bed requiring stuff?

@Namenic

OP - maybe you should campaign for resumption of ‘elective’ but life-changing medical treatments instead of lifting lockdown etc? They are different things.

It’s not an either/or. Look at other places which have managed corona better.

Yes exactly.

@MrsExpo

You need justification???

Well, how about 40,000 dead people, including over 350 yesterday, and many, many more who have survived but left permanently damaged, their lives changed forever.

Not to mention their families and loved ones left behind. Just how much justification do you need OP.?

You don't know how all the families left behind feel so stop using us to score points. We don't need you to tell us how we feel, we're quite capable of speaking for ourselves thank you very much.

What does your GP say? Can they call and ask Paediatrics for you on Monday fir urgent advice ? Find out ASAP. Don't just wait for a future scan.

@AlternativePerspective what a brave person you are. Love your attitude 🥰🥰🥰 I wish you well in the future x

we didnt lockdown to protect the elderly. The government was happily going for letting them die until it realised that actually there was a big excess death rate in the 45-64 age group - and a few members of the government were at risk too. It may also cause long lasting disability in those who survive. The very elderly were frequently left to die in care homes that were not provided with PPE.

The economy was closing down anyway because the sensible part of the country had already realised that the more people got the virus the more chance there was they'd catch it and it wasnt just the "flu".

The NHS has continued to treat emergencies, including delivering babies. The more people act sensibly - so wearing masks, staying in when possible - the more elective stuff the NHS can do. Those crying to end lockdown are not your allies in getting your child treated, they are the ones preventing it.

I agree with you op. Being scared is a luxury. I don't have time to be scared. The attitude of some well off baby boomers is disgusting on my opinion. They don't want to come out of their homes or ease lockdown because they're scared of getting the virus and suffering.
Some people are already suffering! They might not get the virus but some people ARE already in pain and suffering. Non virus related.

TabbyMumz

formerbabe*

"Because you can die from covid and pass it on to several others who will also die. Your baby will not die from having a hip problem"

"And apparently prolonging the life of mostly incredibly elderly people is more important than the mental and physical health of children"
Eh? Are you slightly mad? Prolonging the life of everyone, repeat EVERYONE, is more important than the mental and physical health of just children.

I find this post absolutely fascinating. Because to me, prolonging the life of someone with only a few (maybe even 10-15) years of life left probably, objectively, isn’t worth causing the OP’s child a long period of unnecessary pain following an operation and the risk of long-term disability. It’s a difficult and horrible balancing act but it certainly isn’t so straightforward that I would consider someone taking the opposite point of view to mine “slightly mad”.

And besides, dying of Covid is not a given, it’s a risk. Similarly, undergoing unnecessary surgery carries a small risk of dying under the anaesthetic (sorry OP, don’t want to freak you out more).

There is a lot of nuance to this and horribly complicated decisions to make. To me, the only people who can be “wrong” about anything here are the people who refuse to accept that there might be a different side to the debate.

Excellent post, @AlternativePerspective

OP - you lost my sympathy when you referred to it being a bad cold. I suggest you educate yourself as to what COVID is.

Our local trust is looking to re-open certain services in the next week or so, some services have remained open during the lockdown.

Resuming normal services was always going to be harder than stopping them, but it is starting to happen and people are working very hard to ensure it is done as safely as possible with the minimum of risk to the public and staff.

The fact that the system wasn't overwhelmed makes the process of resuming services a lot easier and will happen a lot quicker than if it had been overwhelmed.

Here is the number of people who have died in hospital, from Covid by age and underlying health issues, it is slightly higher to date but not much.

If you opened a bag of skittles and we're told 1% of them were poisoned, would you still eat the bag and hope you didn't eat the poisonous one?
No, so why would you do that with your life? Yes the death rate isn't as high in those that are younger, with no underlying health conditions. However they are still dying.
Also there are so many things we don't know about what happens afterwards. Are there going to be life long conditions following from having covid? The lockdown shouldn't have been eased as it has no matter what people want to say.
That's not to say the nhs doesn't need to start treating more patients though, however the nhs closing services was nothing to do with the lockdown. It was to with them needing to distribute staff elsewhere to ensure enough care where covid patients were going to be.

I keep hearing about long lasting health issues but I haven’t seen any % of numbers or data to back this up? Obviously people that have been seriously ill, yes they’re will be long lasting effects, these can also be caused by the ventilator and being put in an induced coma but what is the percentage overall?

Also with skittles you’d pick the colour out that is poison, it’s not like we don’t know who’s vulnerable. Children are more at risk of other illnesses. Only 5 children under 15 have died of coronvirus, most of those had serious, previous health conditions.

The skittles analogy is for the percentage of young healthy people dying. Therefore you wouldn't know which is the poisonous one.
Yes there are a very small minority, but they are still dying. It's not just the vulnerable. It's not just the elderly. The percentages are higher, they were always going to be, but that doesn't mean they're expendable either.

@Alex50 Does it mention what the pre-existing conditions were ? whether they were medicated and controlled ? Were they diagnosed prior to or during admission ? So for example if you have previously been diagnosed with hypertension, have been given medication and it is now well controlled, are you lumped in with someone who has been diagnosed whilst in hospital and who's blood pressure is through the roof ?
Also of those who have died and had diagnosed underlying conditions, what was the normal life expectancy with those conditions iyswim ?

Hospital services were suspended to protect non infected people and to redistribute staff and ward layouts. There is still covid in hospitals and can pop up on any supposed clean area. The risk of doing the scan or clinic and your baby being infected has to be balanced with the risk of not having it. We are now at the stage of planned reopening of sone services as the numbers have dropped to a level where infection risk is slightly less.
Hospitals are not in lockdown - that refers to people staying at home etc abd shops.

5 under 15’s, most didn’t die of Covid it was secondary! Millions of children locked away, their lives put on hold. Medical treatments being denied to this age group. Children’s death rate will go up but it won’t be because they have died from coronvirus.

@BeltaneBride

I thought the NHS was only interested in COVID cases (good PR for their 'funding' requests to see lots of pics of tired medics in COVID wards) , but actually people do seem to be getting treated for other things. A fried had an appointment this week at a hospital for her regular routine arthritis jab. Perhaps minor things that don't need an overnight be are continuing just not the bed requiring stuff?

Yes, other treatment is going on, but there have been problems with some treatments cancelled, sometimes when they shouldn't have been, which is why I recommended complaining, not just to the medics, but also to your MP who can write to relevant people to bring pressure on them.

There have also been public calls for people not to avoid going to hospital if they have to e.g. A&E.

There was a lady on BBC radio this morning insisting she's been ill for 13 weeks from covid as it moves around attacking different parts of her body. Went into detail about each body part affected. She sounded under 50 & had a child under 18 so she wasn't elderly.

Then she said every hospital test she had came back "normal"... I couldn't help but think "anxiety not covid". But no presenter was going to challenge her or even comment on the obvious "gosh that sounds exceptional!". Anecdote wins yet again.

@Alex50

I keep hearing about long lasting health issues but I haven’t seen any % of numbers or data to back this up? Obviously people that have been seriously ill, yes they’re will be long lasting effects, these can also be caused by the ventilator and being put in an induced coma but what is the percentage overall?

Nobody knows yet. A friend of mine in his 50s but was very fit before he got Covid, gym 3 times a week, is a health professional, got 'mild' Covid and now has heart problems. He was never hospitalised with it, but is under a cardiologist now.

@lljkk

There was a lady on BBC radio this morning insisting she's been ill for 13 weeks from covid as it moves around attacking different parts of her body. Went into detail about each body part affected. She sounded under 50 & had a child under 18 so she wasn't elderly.

Then she said every hospital test she had came back "normal"... I couldn't help but think "anxiety not covid". But no presenter was going to challenge her or even comment on the obvious "gosh that sounds exceptional!". Anecdote wins yet again.

There can be false negatives. Look at the threads on here with people still suffering months after they got the illness.