Rant alert! How do those who want Lockdown to continue justify the suffering of everyone else?

[Thefrenchbaguette]

My 3 month old has been waiting for a hip scan to confirm her rather obvious DDH. She needs a harness, the GP already confirmed she will need one and put in an urgent referral at her 6 week review and still nothing because they're not doing them at all here! You can only use a harness up until 6 months and after that the treatment for DDH is an operation! My baby is going to have to have a completely unavoidable operation or suffer lifelong damage to her hips because the NHS is just not interested in anyone who doesn't have Covid19! There isn't even the option to pay for it to be done privately! I am furious and so sick of seeing countless threads and comments about how lockdown needs to be continued and even stricter! All very well with your comfortable house and perfectly secure income and no real risk to your overall well-being but what about everyone else who is suffering?!
A friend had an abnormal smear come back in January but the follow up has been indefinitely postponed! How many people are going to miss life saving diagnosis', life saving treatments! It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

@pebblexox yup the communication has been poor and I say that as an NHS employee.

Have you tried contacting PALS? Or going through switchboard and asking for the manager of whichever service it is and raising concerns with them!m? Either of those avenues should get you a response quickly!

All the best x

@ginfilledcats
I think I've been putting off that, as I keep telling myself they're so busy. However I definitely think it's an avenue I'm going to have to go down.
Thank you x

She’d have to be 6ft 5in for that to be a healthy weight
I didn't say she was slim at all. I said slim in comparison to many considering many pp's on MN are morbidly obese, 14.5 is light to many these days considering people consider a size 16 the UK average.

"even if you think something, it could be better not to type it out and broadcast it? "

Very naughty, PP. How dare you think something that some people don't agree with or don't like. And how very dare you express that thought.

Orwell's book, with its concept of 'thought crime' was supposed to be fiction.

@pebblexox no worries, they are busy yes but this is the sort of thing they should be busy with (I'm a manager and if I got this call/email it's something easy to resolve and provide a response and ensure a patient knows what's going on and gets the dialogue they need - win win). Try PALS and just explain you'd like to speak to manager for whatever service as your attempts to get communication haven't been forth coming. See How you go from there x

Basically you are saying that lockdown should end, causing the deaths of even more people, just so your kid doesn't need an operation. Although I sympathise with your problem, an operation isn't more important than people actually dying.

You had a point up until your last sentence, then you got aggressive and goady. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Yanbu, more people will suffer and die due to lockdown than if it was released. Cancer referrals down 60%. Covid is the only disease the government is bothered by it seems.

Lockdown or not, hospitals will change their procedures when they deem it safe to do so. The fact that some Trusts are still doing some stuff and some aren't proves it has nothing to do with lockdown.

According to DD's orthopaedic surgeon, the procedures they have put in place will remain no matter what happens in the community. In fact, she says they have only been able to continue with emergency surgeries because they lockdown has reduced the risk to their surgeons.

It's disgusting and I feel so unbelievably angry at what this country has come through so 90% of people can avoid getting what is essentially a bad cold!

40,000 families grieving. What a disgusting thing to say.

Basically you are saying that lockdown should end, causing the deaths of even more people, just so your kid doesn't need an operation.

Just hope your child isn't one of them then, OP. What about that poor little boy who was carted off and died in hospital all on his own, and his family couldn't even attend his funeral.

Your sense of entitlement is fucking grotesque.

Your sense of entitlement is fucking grotesque

Your rudeness to a mother concerned about her babies health is grotesque.

@Ginandbearit1

Yanbu, more people will suffer and die due to lockdown than if it was released. Cancer referrals down 60%. Covid is the only disease the government is bothered by it seems.

The point about the way the NHS is acting is surely that they are trying to preserve life and capacity. Lockdown is the part we play in minimising the impact of the virus so that a) there are the resources for treatments and b) it is safe for people to go into hospitals to get their treatment

Theres still 3 months until it is too late for the harness. It isnt life or death. I think yabu, COVID patients obviously are the priority for now, and other immediate life threatening conditions.

Your rudeness to a mother concerned about her babies health is grotesque.

Ah "formerbabe". I've skimmed through your comments. Nice to hear you find pensioners expendable. Clearly cut from the same cloth.

Being concerned about your child's health and not being utterly heartless about everyone else's aren't mutually exclusive you know.

@Ginandbearit1

Yanbu, more people will suffer and die due to lockdown than if it was released. Cancer referrals down 60%. Covid is the only disease the government is bothered by it seems.

Cancer is a horrific disease and my heart does put to anyone suffering from it or waiting for a potential diagnosis, but (abs I know this sounds awful) it is not contagious and will not affect those around that person. Whereas Coronavirus is very contagious and has the potential to kill cancer patients. They are actually some of the vulnerable that we are trying to protect. I’m speaking as someone who nursed my husband for two years and lost him to a horrible death, due to cancer. I’m glad I’m not trying to nurse him during this awful time.

derxa Scotland is better than England, it’s true.

It’s not individual hospitals, it’s not those wanting lockdown, it’s not even the NHS ( few things are ‘the NHS’). It is a dictate from central government that saw a small fortune redirected to the independent hospitals to buy capacity but they haven’t been allowed to use it very much because of staffing and legal accountability for treatments.

Some independent hospitals have been offering to take elective outpatient care of children, but were blocked in commissioning process as they need to take staff from the paediatric unit of trusts with them because they retain responsibility for patient care. The trust needs staff to manage their own unit.

People referred under 2week wait are being seen. It’s the screening programme that is reduced. Nobody is waiting for a diagnosis who is a symptomatic referral.

I'm never amazed at MN to pile onto a mother that had raised a concern regarding the health of her child.

OP, I'll forgive you your comment on 'it is just a cold'

There are concerns that treatments have been postponed as a result of lockdown. I do understand your frustration and anger that your baby is being denied treatment based on the advice you've received prior to lockdown.

I am anti lockdown. I think the lockdown has exposed how fragile the NHS is. Not because of funding. But a serious problem with senior management. If the NHS has to suspend treatment for the majority of society it was never for purpose. The care home scandal that will emerge from this is telling.

I hope you're able to get what you need for your baby girl.

There are concerns that treatments have been postponed as a result of lockdown

There are concerns that treatments have been postponed as a result of the NHS response to the covid crisis. The organisation of the NHS response and priorities has nothing to do with lockdown, except for that a successful lockdown creates conditions in which it would be easier for normal treatments to resume.

I agree op other than the bad cold.

Dh (39) has stage 4 terminal bowel cancer with less than 12 month life expectancy. He had some worrying symptoms a month ago which he needed a head scan for, he is also due a scan of his bowel/lung/liver etc where the cancer has already spread. He also has a needle phobia which makes him pass out every time he has a cannula.

So he had his head scan, they refused to do the rest of his body at the same time as it wasn't quite due (a week to early) even though it would be less stress for dh.

We are still waiting for the results of the scan, no appointment date nothing, let's not forget he is now overdue his other scan. I have rang his oncologist, his gp, the oncologist pa etc no one can give us a date.

The NHS do not care, I say that as an ex nurse (left when dh got diagnosed last year). It looks like I am now going to have to go to pals again about his lack of treatment 😡

Completely agree

Leave primark shut and get some more nearly essential things back up and running. Ridiculous you can get a takeaway coffee but your baby can't get the medical help needed.

@Inkpaperstars

There are concerns that treatments have been postponed as a result of lockdown

There are concerns that treatments have been postponed as a result of the NHS response to the covid crisis. The organisation of the NHS response and priorities has nothing to do with lockdown, except for that a successful lockdown creates conditions in which it would be easier for normal treatments to resume.

It has everything to do with lockdown. That was the point of the stay at home orders.

I'll put it bluntly.

The lockdown was a measure to protect the NHS.

There is no such thing as a 'successful lockdown'

Post mortems have been cancelled, families have no recourse to a coroner's report.

Hedge funds with fingers in pies at the NHS had the government by the shorts. That's why the brewing pressure cooker at care homes is about to blow. I hope those families do take a stand. They deserve justice.

RedHelenB a harness usually had to be worn for six months to have any effect. I would've thought fitting one at 6m old would be too late.

As restrictions are easing and we are allowed out, shops opening it up its alarming the NHS is not getting back to other treatments.

OP I am with you if it was my child I would feel the same way.