You're white. You haven't experienced racism

[PatricksRum]

I'm so sick of repeating myself today.
AIBU or is ignorance just bliss?

We all need to listen to each other and try to understand each other’s experiences.

Black people need to listen to white people's experiences of racism? Is this a joke? Are you living under a bridge or were you born yesterday?

What could POC possibly learn from a white persons experience of racism 😂😂 your arrogance is astounding.

But it's just unhelpful to make statements that white people cant experience racism. It's just gaudy and unhelpful.

I'm not trying to help you.

I'm fighting. I'm fight for my people.

This isn't about you. What's so hard to understand that?

Whether it's helpful or unhelpful to you is irrelevant. This is our fight.

@DressingGownofDoom that's not racism that's misogyny. The same thing happens to women in their own culture

How can you eradicate the racist mindset when posters are literally falling over themselves to tell us how they've personally been the victim or 'racism' and they're white? As if their own personal experiences are important enough to dilute the message that the systemic racism suffered by POC in the west must stop

How can you eradicate the racist mindset when you literally wont listen to others experiences, it doesn't matter if you're black white pink or green. People respond and relate better when they can reconcile through their own life experiences. Dismissing peoples experiences just leads to apathy.

When did I Patrick? I was only replying to your statement... I thought that was the point of a forum?

I understand you're fed up but there's no need to be like that when people are questioning what you have put and putting their own experiences.

@redbigbananafeet 😂 well thanks for that education. Maybe in future you'll RTFT
Schoolsoutforcorona Noones falling over themselves to tell stories. They were using personal evidence (evidence, remember that OP) to explain quite articulately and logically why they politely disagree with OPs statement. That's called a debate.

"I'm not sure where or in which decade you went to school but I can assure you that I assumed the white kid got into trouble, I had to read it twice to work out that you as black got into trouble for saying 'white dog' and the white mud didn't for saying 'black dog'. That's unheard of in my experience of schools."

After you're little telling off I'll....well, RTFT

White slave masters took us from Africa and enslaved us.

90 percent of those shipped to the New World were enslaved by Africans and then sold to European traders.
(source: New York Times)

@rosiejaune - it’s just rubbish what you’re saying. Ashkenazi jews are from a whole host of different backgrounds they are not 50 % middle eastern. Certainly many Jews are white but may have a different culture from other whites (same as black Jews or Chinese Jews).

You don’t speak for Jews any more than op speaks for all black people. We are each one person with our own experiences.

Unhelpful to the cause you say you're fighting! Christ you really try hard to scrape out insults don't you? No comment on anything else anyone's said to disagree no? Lost cause.

‘I think that black people face the most amount of racism, because we get it from not only white people, but Asian, Arab, Indian, mixed raced and even other black people like Somalians and Dominicans, who see fully black people with a fully black African heritage as the lowest, thus they are in turn better and more worthy than us because at least they are not the last rung on the ladder. Every race on earth feels better because we are the bottom of the pile.’

I think this is really important, and it is recognised by the UN that the situation of Africa and people displaced by the diaspora is a consequence of ongoing colonisation, slavery and other forms of racism from other ethnic groups. As such the UN recognises that in combatting racism particular effort must focus on the wellbeing and protection of African people and African descent.

That is the point - to maintain a particular focus on this group. I hope most people can agree with that.

The UN also recognises other groups that are frequently subjected to racism - the Roma for example, as well as creating legislation to prevent racial discrimination against all groups.

All this debate over the exact meaning of particular terms like we are in some kind of undergraduate sociology class is pointless. People’s belief in some academic or social media catchphrase doesn’t make them more or less able to fight racism.

The work black activists are doing in the US during these protests amazing, and I hope the U.K. can learn from it. This exact scenario of asphyxiation following arrest has happened in the U.K. too. One of the proposals coming out of the US is that the police should be defunded for certain roles and the funding go to mental health services to deal with people in the community having a mental health crisis rather than sending the police in. Real change is possible.

All colours can experience racism.

I am not a colour.

I am black. I am not a black. I am a human.

We are yet to power over you. If one day we had equal rights to stay alive and you did experience true racism I would be there with open arms.

How can you eradicate the racist mindset when you literally wont listen to others experiences, it doesn't matter if you're black white pink or green.

I'm white. I'm listening to POC experiences and reading posts from POC all over my facebook. If everyone else did that, it would go much further in helping the BLM movement than multiple "I'm white and I also experience racism" posts.

Schoolsoutforcovid I have no idea what you're talking about. Are you implying I've not read the thread? I was the first responder. People have shared experiences but not 'fallen over themselves'. You're 'guess who was given into trouble' I guessed the white kid. I'm not sure what you're gaffawing at.

@PatricksRum

Would you please have a read of my comments and posts and see what you think.

Especially my serial killer vs vandal analogy. I think the basis of it works but it needs refining a little.

Sorry pressed send too soon.... although I think I made the point

I had to read it twice to work out that you as black got into trouble for saying 'white dog' and the white mud didn't for saying 'black dog'. That's unheard of in my experience of schools

Yet my own ds’s experience upthread goes against your experience. He’s mixed race and got in trouble for pushing one of a group of (white) kids who’d been racially abusing him. They didn’t get any punishment (despite him telling his teacher every time, and them telling him to “just ignore it”) until I asked if I should call the police.
The school admitted they had “not understood” the racism and don’t know how to deal with it.
What you don’t see from these words is a small, broken boy who wanted to pull his skin off and just be “normal” so they couldn’t bully him anymore.

@AvranaKernsBestSpider

I am so sorry to hear about your ds. That is absolutely awful and another problem with the racism tow.
When we challenge it and fight it we are punished. And this is very difficult. There's so many situations I've sat in and "allowed" myself to be racially abused, I didn't fight back. I'm the only black person, is it worth it? I have no allies. I'm alone. I'm so glad your ds challenged them! Actually reminds me of primary school when I was called the N word. The teacher said 'i know he was racist but'
There are no buts in racism.

@patrickruns "white slave masters" 200 years ago maybe but no one in living memory has been a white slave master.
It was an disgusting time in history, which should never be forgotten, but it is just that history.
I'm a white female who has lived in the Middle East most of my adult life and I can tell you in no uncertain terms I have experienced racism due to my skin colour and ethnicity.
Yes there are still racists in this world but they are the minority. We live in a much more tolerant world.
The death in America absolutely should not have happened and we all must call out these people and they must be punished but don't tar everyone with the same brush!

The Department of Work and Pensions conducted a study whereby the same job application was sent out with different applicant names. Those who had a 'British sounding name' were more likely to be called for an interview than those with a 'non-British sounding' name.

This is so sad @br1anmay

It reminds me of Stormzy offering to fund black pupils' college tuition and the comments on the article what about me? I'm white so I can't get it paid for?

Just out of interest OP, when were you in primary school ?

Han Chinese absolutely consider themselves superior to white people, gweilo (ghost-face/foreigner), Ethiopians consider themselves superior to Nigerians. Indians consider themselves superior to Bangladeshis.

What's happening in the US is dreadful, it's a long and horrible game, but it's not unique. It's universal. It's so common for people to feel better because of their race.

Because they have been subjugated by others.

I'm not sure how we get past this. Education maybe.

@Ohjustboreoff not sure I agree. I think the harm done by slavery still echoes down the generations. It certainly does in the USA, and I think also in Britain (although here it gets mixed with the harm done by colonisation too).

schoolsoutforcarona glad you understand the confusion. If you can point out the racist points I made that’d be grand.