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You're white. You haven't experienced racism

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PatricksRum · 04/06/2020 00:29

I'm so sick of repeating myself today.
AIBU or is ignorance just bliss?

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PatricksRum · 04/06/2020 00:48

@7Days

They're protected under the law.
They are an ethnicity in their own right.

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AvranaKernsBestSpider · 04/06/2020 00:48

I’m (mostly) white, lived in a country where white was very much the minority. Had a few odd comments blaming me for “the war” and once got followed by a van of right wing nut jobs who yelled I was ruining their country.

I haven’t experienced racism Smile
I’m serious. It was, at best, “other-ism” My life was not at risk due to institutional bullshit. Policemen were more likely to want a photo with me than arrest me.

Yanbu, op.
It’s either ignorance, or knowing ignorance and I’m fed up of both tbh.

PatricksRum · 04/06/2020 00:48

@YgritteSnow Read it again. I said I'm tired of educating.

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PatricksRum · 04/06/2020 00:49

wow I just reported you

For what?

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YgritteSnow · 04/06/2020 00:50

So you came to tell all of MN that you're tired of educating everyone when obviously people are going to ask questions. Probs might have been best if you'd just gone to bed really.

PatricksRum · 04/06/2020 00:51

@AvranaKernsBestSpider Totally agree.
I'm not condoning racial prejudice at all. It's wrong.
But they are totally different.
One must understand the power balance that underlines.
Thank you for being educated and understanding and your empathy for our fight.

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redbigbananafeet · 04/06/2020 00:52

PatricksRum You seem rather unhinged to open a debate and then refuse to debate. And then complain about being tired. If you're tired don't start conversations, go to bed. 'Do your research' (lovely use of capital letters btw) I've done my research and all my research both in real life and online state that racism and racial prejudice are the same. If you're shouting that they're not I'm asking you your sources. You're either very young, at it, or don't actually have any evidence to back up your claim. It's very childish to stare something, tell someone they're wrong and then refuse to explain why. Surely debate and education is the whole point of this movement? You seem to be more 'poor me'.

PatricksRum · 04/06/2020 00:52

@YgritteSnow Do not suggest to me how to cope with this.
Don't tell me what to post. Don't tell us not to loot. Don't tell us how to deal with another death.

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MorrisZapp · 04/06/2020 00:52

I'd love to see resources linked that aren't American. I live in Scotland. Racism exists here as it does everywhere, but the American narrative and tone seem so far removed from our lives and culture.

YgritteSnow · 04/06/2020 00:52

Don't tell me what to post. Don't tell us not to loot. Don't tell us how to deal with another death.

I didn't 🤷🏼‍♀️

schoolsoutforcovid · 04/06/2020 00:53

@nadeelia I'll be noticing your name if I ever see it on threads after this. And I'll be reporting you back...I'm not sure why but this is the whole point.

350girl · 04/06/2020 00:53

I'm white. I'm also Jewish. I've experienced racism.

redbigbananafeet · 04/06/2020 00:54

I think OP seems to think that white people are the power in every continent. She could anxiously do with so 'educating' herself.

PatricksRum · 04/06/2020 00:54

@redbigbananafeet i posted a link a while ago. You haven't read it.
A simple Google search of racial prejudice vs racism will provide you with information
https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=safari&hl=en-gb&sxsrf=ALeKk013MqJbccXfnshcZZBfQvH1RnTWQ%3A1591228399757&ei=7zfYXuziLfPpxgOrpbaoDQ&q=racial+prejudice+vs+racism&oq=racial+prejudice+vs+racism&gss_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAEYADIECCMQJ1AAWABgsBhoAHAAeACAAV6IAV6SAQExmAEA&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

I've explained why within the first few comments. It's not an opinion but a fact.

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7Days · 04/06/2020 00:54

I dont think that works for them in reality, tbh, OP.

I'm in an area where there aren't too many black people but plenty of travellers. I suppose it's their hardships that's more visible to me. though not belittling others'

The question mark was for nadeelia, not sure who she is reporting.

Flaxmeadow · 04/06/2020 00:54

I know someone white who nearly died in a racist attack. It was a sustained gang attack that lasted days. His injuries were horrific and he had to move away when he came out of intensive care and after several operations.

He was only young at the time and was a really lovely person

savingallday · 04/06/2020 00:55

So OP, lemme get this straight are you saying that "all white people have never experienced racism"

CandyLeBonBon · 04/06/2020 00:55

I'm sorry you have to struggle. I have been on the receiving end of prejudice in my life but it must be souls destroying to have to work 20x harder to simply occupy the same space and still wonder if your right to be there will be challenged. So much needs to change. I'm sorry.

Mybrowneyedgal · 04/06/2020 00:56

OP I am sorry you are tired. I am sorry you have the weight of this on your shoulders, that you are worried about your DC. I could never understand how you feel especially as a women who looks white (although my origin is not) because I have not experienced true racism. This movement had reminded me of my privilege and reminded me to do better for my DC who are not white British.

However starting a thread like this and then being too angry to discuss or even signpost posters is not helpful IMO.

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redbigbananafeet · 04/06/2020 00:57

One link that has its own agenda. Racism is prejudice and power. You said I experience racial prejudice. I experienced this where whites were very much not in power. So by you're own definition (from one source) I experienced racism. Feel free to correct me with a coherent explanation...

AvranaKernsBestSpider · 04/06/2020 00:57

“I’ve been in a foreign country and experienced racism.”

“Hey white girl!” racism?
Or “knee on your neck” racism?

mylittlesandwich · 04/06/2020 00:57

I am so pasty it's unreal and I can see that many many people need a good shake. This isn't about them or me. Some people are so "me me me" at the moment. It does them no favours.

KingSheathBelle · 04/06/2020 00:58

I'm white, I have, my parents hvae too?

Educate youself OP.

changeitupagain · 04/06/2020 00:58

@PatricksRum

I completely understand you are upset and exhausted right now but I'm afraid I thinking yab a bit U.

I am mixed race, Bangladeshi and white. I appear brown, light brown but still unmistakably brown. I have experienced countless instances of racism in my lifetime, both casual and accidental and directed and purposefully hurtful/degrading. As people of colour, in the west, we experience far more racism than most white people could even comprehend.

However white people can still experience racism. They just don't on anywhere near the same scale as people of other races, but they still can.

Racism is defined as

1	prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.

By its very definition any race can experience racism. As anyone from one race, insulting someone from another race because of their race is being racist.

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