You're white. You haven't experienced racism

[PatricksRum]

I'm so sick of repeating myself today.
AIBU or is ignorance just bliss?

I do find racism in this thread op. From you. You are part of the problem

@Cayrol

The only problem at hand is a black man being killed by yet another white cop.
I cannot possibly contribute to your racism towards me and my people. I am not responsible. It is not up to me to alter your thinking.

It was OP that caused folk to talk about their own experiences.

I don't want to hear about white experiences of racial prejudice and fighting for bottom rank.

This isn't about you. Your stories do not matter right now.

@PatricksRum you've had some shitbags on this post and held your stance better than I ever could! I'm off now to work but I'm with you. Don't let the bastards get you down x

[quote CayrolBaaaskin]@rosiejaune - it’s just rubbish what you’re saying. Ashkenazi jews are from a whole host of different backgrounds they are not 50 % middle eastern. Certainly many Jews are white but may have a different culture from other whites (same as black Jews or Chinese Jews).

You don’t speak for Jews any more than op speaks for all black people. We are each one person with our own experiences.[/quote]
Ashkenazi Jews all descend from a group of about 350 people, several hundred years ago, who had approximately 50% Middle Eastern DNA, 35% southern European DNA, and 15% eastern European DNA.

They then procreated and spread out all over Europe (and later beyond), but because they almost exclusively married within their own culture/ethnic group (it's called endogamy), their descendants had the same combination of ethnicities.

That explains why Ashkenazi Jews are more closely related to each other than they "should" be. E.g. you will appear to have loads of 3rd cousins if you take a DNA test and share the results online, because you are related to those people in multiple ways, but most of them are not actually your 3rd cousins. They could be e.g. your 5th cousin on one side, and your 6th cousin on the other side.

And it explains why Ashkenazi Jewish DNA is so easily identifiable on DNA tests; because we share a lot of genetic markers with each other.

So although Ashkenazi Jews come from many different European countries, they don't tend to have e.g. Polish DNA, or Romanian DNA, they have Ashkenazi Jewish DNA, because they didn't intermarry with the locals, on the whole.

OP You do not speak for all of us

Where did I say "I am speaking on behalf of all black people because we all think the same?"
Don't be so ridiculous

And...cross post

"This isn't about you. Your stories do not matter right now."

Quite. Black Lives Matter. And if anyone reading this doesn't understand that then educate yourself x

Rosie. Stop

experiencing racism doesn’t make you some sort of expert. I too have experienced racism but I am a white person. We all need to listen to each other and try to understand each other’s experiences. Otherwise it’s just arrogance and pig headedness.

1. Yes it does. I am an expert in experiencing racism. Do you know how sad I feel saying that?

1. You have experienced prejudices not racism.

1. We don't need to listen to you. You need to listen to us. We are the victims.

Love really?

@beardedmum
Yes also this.
The top fight right now isn't black vs black however but I recognise that problem too. If anything, that makes me sadder.

Thanks @PatricksRum he’s certainly feisty! He gets it from his mum

I met with the headteacher and told them I would challenge it every single time. But was I more able to do that and be listened to because I’m white? I don’t know because I haven’t experienced the other side. But it’s made me an absolute menace (in the best possible way!) at challenging racism, xenophobia and prejudices at work, in case there are kids or parents who can’t stand up for themselves. I work with secondary schools kids and I always challenge the kids on what they’re saying and thinking, and I’ve seen some amazing changes. It’s never enough but I hope it will have positive echoes.

And yes! Absolutely no buts I’m racism. I’m so sorry that teacher said that to you. You deserved better

@Purpleartichoke
Then you are not assisting us but using our prejudice against us.
Another idea. Refuse to fight with us? Disagree? That's fine but be quiet and save it for later.

I get it. And in fact I had this discussion with my boys tonight when they were asking about the news.

I explained to them it wasn’t for them to “feel guilty” for being white or male but it was up to them to not be part of the problem. To never condone or silently witness.

We all need to speak out to affect change but it can feel impossibly hard to make that change when you just don’t know where to start.

Just because you're white doesn't mean that you won't be discriminated against.

No one said that.

As well as being black I am a woman.

All women face descriminstuon.

Again not what I'm fighting for right now.

lovelocks gets the award for clearly not bothering to RTFT

I'm going now @PatricksRum but I'm going to spend the entire night despairing at this thread. No doubt most of them have been out clapping for me the past 10 weeks or changing their fbook profile pics....please. Don't bother

Bollocks white people dont experience racism. The very definition of racism encompasses everyone its not exclusive to black or asian people.

I'm white but my background weirdly encompasses 2 racially attacked groups jews and sami people who are badly treated really awfully treated due to their race and culture despite being white. I have lived in a country where i was threatened several times with being sold to a brothel as white women are beneath them and property. Thats very much racism. Not this pseudo definition people are trying to change it to now. Which is inflammatory and also is another wedge to divide people with.

Yes black lives matter is the focus now and the systematic abuse of black people in america by law enforcement needs immediate change. But starting threads and getting outraged and telling people to educate themselves is rude. If you want people to understand something its your job to tell them what you feel not their job to blindly guess what you want them to think.

@CandyLeBonBon Thank you. Thank you for standing up. Thank you for donating.

Can I just as well, it takes a strong white person to stand up challenge racism from from their own race towards black people.

@PrimeroseHillAnnie Thank you
I appreciate it. I really do.
Thank you to those on this thread fighting with us.

People here should know that in the US the slogan 'All Lives Matter' is one usually trumpeted by people with white supremacist sympathies. They may or may not admit to this, but a little scratching of the surface will yield the truth. It is a direct criticism of the Black Lives Matter movement.

Black lives have never mattered in the US. Asserting that they do is a profoundly and seriously important statement which attempts to highlight the fundamental problem of racism in America by directly challenging the bedrock assumption on which American society operates. The statement is an aspiration. It should not have to be an aspiration.

All black lives are detrimentally impacted simply by the chance of birth in a black body. All white lives are not detrimentally affected by birth in a particular body - the problems of many whites do not stem from oppression based on a hierarchical system based on skin colour. Instead of exploring why black lives have never mattered in the US and admitting that they still don't matter now, those saying that All Lives Matter are trying to focus attention elsewhere, back to whiteness and white centric society.

'All Lives Matter' is a problem because the whole issue in the US is that society, policing, the prison system, the law, are all white-centric. The issue is that the foundation of society, on which all citizens should be able to rely equally operates for the benefit of whites and is weaponised against blacks. 'All Lives Matter' is gaslighting unless each person proclaiming that goes out and proves it.

@rosiejaune that's really interesting. So were most Jews in Germany not Ashkenazi Jews then? In Germany there was quite a lot of inter marriage pre WW2 hence all the mischling (my grandmother was a mischling hence her survival ).

Wow, some of the people on this post really need educated.

Don't they just?

I’m concerned that with the high level of accusations and misunderstandings going on, that we are all going to be more segregated than ever.