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London Demonstrations

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nicsknackered · 03/06/2020 19:30

Maybe iabu I don't know but I'm so pissed off at all of the photos online of the demonstrations taking place in London today. I know why they are doing it but ffs 15,000 people in a fucking park while we are only allowed to meet in a group of 6.

My kids have just returned to school for 2 days a week in small classes with only a few of their friends, my year 6er is missing everything and should be on a PGL trip this week. My husbands business is going down the drain but 15,000 fucking people can go and mix for a demonstration?

Let's just all wait for two weeks time shall we when the hospitals are busy again and people are screaming that their relatives are dying.

I'm really angry and fed up after seeing the photos, just feel like it's never going to end and we are never going to get away from these restrictions while other people don't give a shit.

OP posts:
Ylvamoon · 04/06/2020 20:39

We have a legal right to protest regardless of the current situation

Then just get on with it, but please don't drag others down with you. Because Covid-19 is a bigger threat in the UK than being killed by the police. As far as I can see from news reports, they just let everyone have their say in the streets, luckily we are not in America.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/06/2020 20:50

Why has flirty message been taken down ?

Chicchicchicchiclana · 04/06/2020 20:50

Yanbu op. I will never be convinced that these protests are a good idea right now.

I am currently trying to talk to my young dd out of going on another protest this weekend. We live in one of the most Covid affected boroughs in London, with probably a majority BAME population (am not sure) I am frantically worried that she is going to go. Whereas from lockdown up until now I have felt that we have been fairly sensible as a family without being hysterical. It could all go out the window if she joins this protest. And all the while she is devastated that her first year at University has been so hideously disrupted, even now living at home she can't see a big group of her friends and isn't sure how her University course will involve any human contact next year. How can I talk to her about the logistics of this?

RoseAndRose · 04/06/2020 20:51

"We have a legal right to protest regardless of the current situation"

Yes, as long as it is done
a) within the provisions of the coronavirus Emergency Powers act (at the moment) and
b) complies with the correct notifications for the notifiable areas (always)

cyclingmad · 04/06/2020 20:54

@EnthusiasmIsDisturbed

Probably because if included lists of posts from others and some or one got offended that their racism got pointed out and reported it I guess

gypsywater · 04/06/2020 20:55

@cycling
Or it read like the ramblings of an illiterate

SquirmOfEels · 04/06/2020 20:55

"I will never be convinced that these protests are a good idea right now."

The massed disease risk ones present an avoidable hazard. The (many) other socially distanced ones are way less hazardous. There is no reason not to spread the acreage of proper social distance across other parts of central London to replace the transmission-problematic ones

Chicchicchicchiclana · 04/06/2020 21:02

I completely agree with you @Fifthtimelucky. Am in almost the same situation here although my dd could not walk to W1 easily.

A mass gathering is not appropriate just now. The argument
"imagine being so privileged that your biggest worry is catching a virus" isn't compelling. Catching a virus is indeed a significant risk for a huge number of people of every age and ethnicity but particularly so for BAME people in this country at the moment. So it's time to take care - of ourselves as individuals and everyone, whatever their age, health status, or skin colour, around us.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 04/06/2020 21:07

I think you are right @cyclingmad

@gypsywater I haven’t seen any ramblings of an illiterate but certainly seen a huge amount of ignorance and stupidity

Porridgeoat · 04/06/2020 21:11

It’s a shame the protest didn’t take a different form. In a way that grandparents and grandmothers wouldn’t die.

flirtygirl · 04/06/2020 23:09

Sorry my cut and paste included the page accidently. My message is:

PicsInRed
Suffragettes and the IRA were bombing by the ends of their campaigns. In the end, that was what worked. Bombs. Nothing else worked.

I think detractors should be grateful black people have been willing to talk and not be listened to and have been so incredibly gentle and peaceable for so fucking long.

I think we should marvel at their patience and good tempers - because they have been sorely tested.

This x 1000

Bame are dying more from covid 19 in part because of systemic racism. It is an individuals choice what is more important. If you are scared of covid 19 then stay at home. In America a black person is more at risk from the police than from covid 19. So which one would you be more concerned about in their shoes?

If I could get to a protest I would be protesting even now. Why? Because it matters to me.

The op and people on this thread agreeing with her, will never understand why people feel the need to protest. Now may be the only time. Now may be the time people wake up and listen. Now may be the time something changes.

Even a black man in the presidency of the most powerful country on earth couldn't change much due to racism of said country and because so many in the senate and Congress were against him. Maybe this really is the only way.

A few bad apples in every bunch of people will loot, cause damage and violence. So what? Some of those doing these thing are not even black or bame. They are white agitators told to agitate and stir up hatred.

But even if some black and bame do loot and damage property, so what? It doesn't stop the whole movement being mainly peaceful and it is not a reason for others to not listen to their voices and to what is being said.

Those who choose not to listen because of looting or because of covid 19 are siding with racism. Choose what side you want to be on.

And these threads and many like them on mumsnet, just proof what bubbles of privilege many mumsnetters live in and the racism and ignorance on this site.

flirtygirl · 04/06/2020 23:13

Thanks for calling me illiterate gypsywater Your racism and bias is showing.

I reported it myself as I had accidently copied and paste an entire page.

gypsywater · 04/06/2020 23:18

@flirty no problems at all, mwah

Colom · 05/06/2020 00:18

While I don't disagree with some of her comments, I had never heard of Candace Owens. Any woman, particularly a woman from a minority, who supports Donald Trump must have some serious screws loose!

R1R2 · 05/06/2020 00:37

@Colom

While I don't disagree with some of her comments, I had never heard of Candace Owens. Any woman, particularly a woman from a minority, who supports Donald Trump must have some serious screws loose!
Yes they certainly couldn't just form their own opinion or anything like that
Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 05/06/2020 00:49

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Sarcelle · 05/06/2020 01:00

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Sarcelle · 05/06/2020 01:17

Aren't you the smart one? Short enough for you?

itsbetterthanabox · 05/06/2020 01:24

I worry for them. But it doesn't make me angry because this is so important. Systemic racism is what makes me angry.
But yes I worry thst more black people will die due to covid spread.
I would be out protesting if it weren't for the pandemic.

itsbetterthanabox · 05/06/2020 01:29

@edwinbear fuck me thsts a dog whistle if I ever did see one.
Natural selection? Racist pos

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 05/06/2020 01:33

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Kokeshi123 · 05/06/2020 01:35

Can people who know nothing about history PLEASE stop repeating this bollocks about "The suffragettes' violence is what 'worked' and is the reason why women got the vote"? Because, no, it was NOT.

qz.com/535662/dont-be-fooled-by-suffragette-violence-alone-did-not-secure-the-womens-vote/

Women got the vote basically because of the efforts of the NUWSS, a completely NON violent group that had between 10 and 20 times the membership of the militant WPU, and which did boring but sensible things slowly and steadily over time, gradually chipping away at prejudice and genuinely changing people's minds.

The WSPU, with all that exciting violence, has grabbed the attention of film producers and the like. But they were basically a fringe movement, short-lived, and the main player (the NUWSS) broke with them before long, precisely becaue they could see that the WSPU's violent tactics were not only wrong, but were alienating people who otherwise might have been sympathetic.

The real-life WSPU attacks dramatized in Suffragette were carried out by a set of about a hundred women, including private agents who were paid to perform the bombings. By comparison, at the same time, the NUWSS had nearly 600 regional societies, totaling more than 50,000 members—about ten or twenty times WSPU membership, and about 500 times the number of dedicated violent militants.

Still, the WSPU was not the group that won women the vote. In fact, its activity stopped well before any bill made it to Parliament’s floor. When World War I broke out, the Pankhursts halted all WSPU action to support the war effort. Their sudden allegiance with the government angered many of their few remaining followers, and what little was left of the WSPU was effectively eviscerated. After the war’s end, Emmeline largely abandoned the suffrage movement in favor of advocating for British imperialism and against Communism.

Meanwhile, the NUWSS continued campaigning for the women’s vote throughout the war, strategically using women’s war work to bolster their arguments for the vote. Parliament finally gave into their demands in 1918, when a voting rights bill designed to accommodate returning soldiers was expanded to include women over 30 who met the property requirements. Women were not granted full equal voting status to men until 1928. If not for the increase in violent protests, the women’s vote might have been achieved in 1912, when the government toyed with introducing a new Franchise Bill.

EnthusiasmIsDisturbed · 05/06/2020 07:57

Sarcelle what ignorance you show in your post.

Have you never studied history?

My Asian father who had been subjected to a lot of racism sometimes violent especially when he first came here can recognise that for him he was never as bad here or in the states (where he now lives). That though people are racist they have formed an idea of how my dad is by his skin colour and accent because they believe in stereotypes and nothing else - they don’t see him as a person just as an Asian man or a p*ki

Your posts clearly shows that you believe all the stereotypes either negative or positive to be correct that there is nothing beyond that that people are not individuals they are just a stereotype and we are all to well aware that stereotyping for black people tends to be negative unless of course they are good at sports/singers/dancers

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