To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

Not rtft but I 100pc agree with your op

@EarlGreywithLemon maybe, but we don't know that yet.

I'm fed up of seeing crap about people shielding. That we aren't likely to work, would die soon anyway, are all elderly blah blah
I'm a perfectly average normal working FT person who happens to have to shield. There are small children shielding, teenagers, managers, NHS staff, paramedics... we aren't some other breed!
Not all shielding are disabled and not all disabled are shielding
It just makes me despair that I'm seen as second best and not a contributor to the economy and won't pay taxes (just some of the things I have read)

[quote Bizawit]@EarlGreywithLemon maybe, but we don't know that yet.[/quote]
Hopefully we’re not going to experiment with letting it run rampant, so that we find out for sure.

@ClientQ

I'm fed up of seeing crap about people shielding. That we aren't likely to work, would die soon anyway, are all elderly blah blah I'm a perfectly average normal working FT person who happens to have to shield. There are small children shielding, teenagers, managers, NHS staff, paramedics... we aren't some other breed! Not all shielding are disabled and not all disabled are shielding It just makes me despair that I'm seen as second best and not a contributor to the economy and won't pay taxes (just some of the things I have read)

Quite.Not to mention those who are vulnerable, but not considered vulnerable enough to shield.

@ClientQ

I'm fed up of seeing crap about people shielding. That we aren't likely to work, would die soon anyway, are all elderly blah blah I'm a perfectly average normal working FT person who happens to have to shield. There are small children shielding, teenagers, managers, NHS staff, paramedics... we aren't some other breed! Not all shielding are disabled and not all disabled are shielding It just makes me despair that I'm seen as second best and not a contributor to the economy and won't pay taxes (just some of the things I have read)

Yep, me too. I'm also shielding but usually work, go to the gym etc. I'm 50. Should lead a normal life expectancy yet according not MN I'm.low hanging fruit and would probably have died within the next year. It's totally disgusting the attitude that some posters have towards those that are shielding.

My auntie back home is meant to be shielding, which she has taken to mean not going to the supermarket until she is desperate (shes not confused , she has had a letter). Shes still had extended family up the garden for bbqs and been hugging them. No real change to her life.

I've fb friends who's uni courses have been stopped, who have been furloughed, who haven't seen their partner because different houses, which are unemployed, who are suffering mentally and they say it's hard but we doing it to protect the shielding. They're doing more to try and protect people keep my auntie than my auntie herself is.

@Madein1995

Agree

As we still have high rates I don't believe things should have been relaxed at all. This isn't about those who are responsible or not.

Its the fact that anyone can pass it on. That could be to you, your child a family member which could kill them.

Yes we have to get back to the "new normal" however it needs to be slowly and with prudence. It's only being rushed now because of DominicGate to try and push that under the carpet

As we come out of lockdown, we still need to take care of ourselves and others. That means minimising our risk of catching and transmitting the virus so we are not either directly or indirectly responsible for someone else’s death. I’d like to see more respect for social distancing, particularly from joggers who frequently run past people at close proximity heavily breathing out. I’d also like it if everyone wore masks in enclosed spaces, particularly public transport. as research has shown that when everyone wears a mask in an enclosed area then the least transmission occurs. Many countries who have mandated mask wearing or where people have traditionally worn them (eg Japan) have much lower infections and death rates. I don’t agree that vulnerable or elderly people should self isolate for the foreseeable future so that everyone else can do what they like. It’s sad that there are many people not just elderly and vulnerable who are scared to even go out for a walk because of the lack of care taken by others.

Original lockdown was to save hospitals being overwhelmed. They are now not. Best time ever to go to a&e apparently. Meanwhile, so-called minor cases are cancelled. 😢

Are you sleeping with Boris by any chance?

@mrpumblechook

Forbidding children an education isn't a solution either though is it?

They aren't being forbidden an education. Stop being melodramatic. Schools are starting to go back now and even if they are only part time for a few months it won't effect their education long term.

Well my year 10 student has two hours A day of worksheets. We were told by the school he will be going in on the 1st June. Now it is the 15th. We have a timetable - he will be going into school for 6 hours in total from 15th June to 22nd July. 3 of those hours will be to watch a film for his gcse film studies. It is a disgrace what we Are doing to these kids, he has lost the motivation to study and is bored and angry,

The reason I don’t agree is because there are too many self centred thoughtless people who don’t keep there distance... you might be happy that 300+ people are still dying a day, that care home workers & health workers etc are exhausted and still dealing with daily uncertainty and poor government planning and execution in getting on top of this virus ... We look like a bloody joke to the world .... not one stage has been managed well...

If they hadn’t closed down so many hospitals we could have had separate well equipped sites to keep covid patients apart ... if they hadn’t turned old people’s homes into money making machines ...maybe so many people wouldn’t have died ... maybe if you ask why private firms are running track and trace...very badly ..and getting away with it ....you need to focus on why we are where we are ... and demand things are done better ...so everyone can live their lives freely and without fear...

Posts like the OP seem to belkeve the position that it’s either lockdown forever or end now. The argument is the cases are coming down which is great but the numbers need to get a little lower for a test, trace and isolate system to be effective (and and a bit more time is needed to get a fully functioning test trace isolate system in place ). Such a system with social distancing, hand washing etc will hopefully keep cases reasonably low before therapeutics and/or a vaccine is developed. Appreciate vaccine not definite, I think therapeutics may be developed quicker.

Approx 300 are still dying a day, until cases decrease, we will still be seeing such numbers. I support not lifting lockdown measures further until daily case numbers decrease further.

@BamboozledandBefuddled where are you getting 8-9000 Cases a day hasn't been that for a while

@Barney60 we don't have highest rate per capita though , we have it high and we can't be exactly sure why , some things done wrong will likely have contributed but there could be other factors that we are unaware of just yet

struggle the 8-9000 new cases a day is from ONS population surveillance studies and widely accepted as pretty accurate ( except of course by govt apologists)

@nellodee remember iTs quite a small population though

This concern for the old is great but most over 70s and 80s i know are not shielding,All my older neighbours who have had letters as are vulnerable,on medication are carrying on as normal,as normal as me who isnt vulnerable.Ok they cant go out out as sadly can none of us but they have left their homes,shopped etc.since lockdown none of them have any signs of virus.It seems they worry less than all those who seem obsessed with protecting them.

@FelicisNox I don't think we've been down to 200 deaths per week since the beginning and death rate has been going down in general compared week on week , think VE Day would be showing more in hospital admissions g they were going up
In a couple of weeks we will know if crowds on beaches , stupid long ques for shops and protests etc raised cases or if it being all outside makes it less likely to transmit ,

And please dont assume all of us who think lockdown should end soon with social distancing and some restrictions still up to a point i agree, are Tories Brexiters and Johnson supporters,Im a strong Remainer,think Brexit should be postponed and vote Labour.It seems from comments on here many think we are all government supporters,well im not.

@Bourdic if that's the case then that would mean the virus is less deadly than thought if more people have had it
That's saying that 4 times as many people have had it than recorded

@JFM27 but you must be according to a few on here
I know many non government supporters who want lockdown to end as well