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To think the lockdown needs to end now?

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Fr0thandBubble · 02/06/2020 15:17

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

OP posts:
nellodee · 03/06/2020 15:33

20% of all people who catch this need hospitalising.

How do those who plan to lift lockdown and get on with life as normal plan to care for this huge amount of people?

BeijingBikini · 03/06/2020 15:36

20% of all people who catch this need hospitalising.

Well that's obviously not true - antibody tests show 7% of the UK population have had it, yet we haven't had a million in hospital.

This is an old debunked statistic from a paper that was published based on estimates from months ago.

doubleshotespresso · 03/06/2020 15:42

@@I for one would rather go trough a bit more inconvenience

You're very privileged if this has only been an inconvenience to you. That is not the reality for a lot of people.Far from
Privileges to be honest. Our SEND child has reacted badly to this, mega violent outbursts day and night. It's been far from an easy it privileged existence. It's been devastating in many ways here, the sad reality is that none of us can yet guess what our future holds. The facts remain this isn't going away and we have not yet reached a stage where any of us can safely work with it. All the facts say so.
The sacrifices we have all made, be if financial, mental or far worse still has not been enough to leap forward. Maybe inconvenient was a bad choice if ridding, maybe sheer pain is what many of us have been through. It's a global pandemic by its nature it's not kind.
We are nowhere close to being out of the woods yet that might be inconvenient fir some to accept but it's genuinely the reality we all face. It's not a question of privilege, pain or even inconvenience-it's doing what's best for all in the longterm.

doubleshotespresso · 03/06/2020 15:43

*of wording
apologies for typos my screen is smashed
The above was for @TrustTheGenieGenie

Bollss · 03/06/2020 15:51

So not just an inconvenience at all then?

it's doing what's best for all in the longterm

Yep. Trouble is I don't think that's what we're doing.

nellodee · 03/06/2020 15:52

@BeijingBikini, that's actually a pretty good way of calculating the hospitalisation rate. You're right, it must have been calculated from confirmed cases. I wonder how many people have been hospitalised in the UK so far...

EnlightenedOwl · 03/06/2020 15:54

I just think it's too late. The hysteria has won

Forgone90 · 03/06/2020 15:54

I'm with you OP we have and are causing far more damage to ourselves with lockdown than the virus would have caused... The even think the death rate come the end could be between 0.1-0.3 which is insane and would mean we have massive overreacted...

The issue is arguing is pointless as all scientists are saying completely different things.. I read one earlier who said it was crazy everyone talking about a second peak, as second peaks tend too happen with flu viruses which this is not.. Corona viruses don't tend to show the pattern of a second peak. So all this people saying months ago don't compare this with flu are doing exactly that by talking about a second wave!

To anyone who believes they would lockdown again... Do you honestky believe they would dare to do it... The economy is screwed right now, another lock down. In the next year or 2 would tip it over the edge!

Bollss · 03/06/2020 15:56

@EnlightenedOwl

I just think it's too late. The hysteria has won
I dunno I think a week ago the majority of people would have disagreed with op... It's about even now.... Give it a few more weeks 🤞
BamboozledandBefuddled · 03/06/2020 16:03

To anyone who believes they would lockdown again... Do you honestky believe they would dare to do it

As they've already said there would be no furlough, they might do it but I don't believe people would comply.

Echo08 · 03/06/2020 16:05

Well i must be selfish then according to a previous post not got time to scroll back through as i don't want it to end yet .In fact i think it was too lax in the first place .I work in community care and we have done our darn hardest to protect the people we support and so far we have .I don't want lockdown to end until figures are hell lot lower. If that makes me selfish because i care about those i support well then selfish i am .

EnlightenedOwl · 03/06/2020 16:07

@Echo08

Well i must be selfish then according to a previous post not got time to scroll back through as i don't want it to end yet .In fact i think it was too lax in the first place .I work in community care and we have done our darn hardest to protect the people we support and so far we have .I don't want lockdown to end until figures are hell lot lower. If that makes me selfish because i care about those i support well then selfish i am .
Selfish and hysterical actually
nellodee · 03/06/2020 16:17

Just gone and got a rough estimate of how many hospitalisations we have had - I calculate it to be in the region of 110,000. It is an estimate, because it was from a daily graph, and I did it by working out the area, not counting every single one, but I made sure to under estimate it, rather than over estimate it.

If 7% of people have had the virus, it works out that approximately 2.4% of people will require hospitalisation.

Even with these much, much lower figures, we are still looking at needing to find hospital places for another 800,000-900,000 people.

Is this actually possible? Do those people wanting to lift lockdown think that our hospitals can cope with almost a million people needing to stay in hospitals over the next year?

EnlightenedOwl · 03/06/2020 16:25

The government are destroying the country with the help of the hysterical

KnobChops · 03/06/2020 16:29

@mrpumblechook

She is NOT fine. She is very lonely, on her own 5 long days a week while DH and I go out to work. She misses her peers. She seems to have lost her confidence. Computer based home learning isn’t a medium term solution. She’ll have missed 6 months of school by September.

She doesn't need school to interact with her peers though. My children are seeing their friends now (outside with social distancing).

If they can do that then they should be in school in my view.
BamboozledandBefuddled · 03/06/2020 16:31

The government are destroying the country with the help of the hysterical

Yup! I've always believed the government would use the whole Covid situation to their advantage in any way they could. I never expected so many of the people to blindly go along with it.

mrpumblechook · 03/06/2020 16:33

If they can do that then they should be in school in my view.

With regard to the risk of being infected, seeing one or two friends outside while sitting/standing 2 m apart is quite the same as sitting in a small classroom with 30 other pupils.

doubleshotespresso · 03/06/2020 16:34

it's doing what's best for all in the longterm

Yep. Trouble is I don't think that's what we're doing.

@TrustTheGenieGenie so what on Earth do you think we are doing? This notion that everybody currently struggling is suddenly going to be fine if lockdown ends tomorrow is I'll-thought out and completely illogical . Placing people at risk is not a solution.

mrpumblechook · 03/06/2020 16:35

Yup! I've always believed the government would use the whole Covid situation to their in any way they could. I never expected so many of the people to blindly go along with it.

In what way is the current situation to the advantage of the current government? I don't think the recession that will follow whether or not there is lockdown will do much for their chances of getting re-elected.

Bollss · 03/06/2020 16:36

Forbidding children an education isn't a solution either though is it?

mrpumblechook · 03/06/2020 16:39

Forbidding children an education isn't a solution either though is it?

They aren't being forbidden an education. Stop being melodramatic. Schools are starting to go back now and even if they are only part time for a few months it won't effect their education long term.

CoachBombay · 03/06/2020 16:40

I don't understand the logic behind the argument "well if you want to take the risk and go out, you can't make the decision to risk others" ummmm they made that decision themselves, they chose to go out and risk the chance of contracting covid 😂

If you don't want to leave your house, because you are too scared of the risk then you should stay in, don't go out, not even for essential trips, get family and friends to support you. Like everyone told us single mothers to do because how dare we take our infection ridden children to the shop 🤔

AlecTrevelyan006 · 03/06/2020 16:44

Whether we should or should not have fine the same as Sweden isn’t really the issue

The issue is what to do NOW. Lockdown in this country has served its purpose and the sooner we are out of it the better.

Bollss · 03/06/2020 16:45

They aren't being forbidden an education. Stop being melodramatic. Schools are starting to go back now and even if they are only part time for a few months it won't effect their education long term

Yes they are. Our council is actively telling schools to remain closed. We've had 3 cases here in the last week. It's pathetic.

It's funny because even a week's holiday is apparently very detrimental but part time school is totally fine?