To think the lockdown needs to end now?

[Fr0thandBubble]

I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

Yes, we are programmed to look after our families first, you’re absolutely right.

That’s why this headlong rush to open everything up (some of it clearly for political purposes as a distraction after a sticky situation) is alarming to people like me with loved ones who are extremely vulnerable (and no, not elderly who are “going to die anyway” as I’ve seen it charmingly put).

I have vulnerable loved ones too, thanks very much.

We can still protect them. We are better equipped to protect them when we still have a bloody house to live in.

Meanwhile people die of other things and if doesn't matter.

I agree with you OP.

As has been said in previous posts, the vast majority of people with cancer had their treatment suspended, allowing the disease to run unchecked whilst some of our nurses were sat twiddling their thumbs. Who knows how many of them will die as a result of delayed treatment.

As has been said on previous posts, this has nothing to do with the lockdown . It is to do with the virus itself and NHS reorganisation. Treatment was suspended because it meant patients would have a higher risk of dying due to the fact the treatments usually suppress the immune system.

Many people in care homes diagnosed with COVID who subsequently died, didn’t die of COVID, but WITH it, having died due to other illnesses, so we have to question whether many of these deaths in care homes should be attributed to COVID.

livelovebehappy honestly, stop it with this stupidity please.

TrustTheGeneGenie

“What just like a lot of families who don't want to return to work to pay taxes to contribute“

I don’t know any of those. We’ve continued working at home throughout. My extremely physically vulnerable husband has thankfully an extremely effective brain, his expertise has been vital to his employer and thousands who depend upon the income his skill set generates. He, in particular, pays eye watering tax.

More than happy to do so. No, the NHS should not only be available to those who are able to pay.

I think parents will be rioting in the streets if schools aren’t fully open in September. It’s gone on long enough, mumsnetters doom and gloom on here isn’t changing my mind, most people are getting on with their lives now anyway.

LOL at the idea that the doom and gloom is just from those who want lockdown to be eased only slowly.

What about people dying as a result of lockdown?

Have 40,000 people died as a result of lockdown so far. I don't think so.

@Chillipeanuts

TrustTheGeneGenie

“What just like a lot of families who don't want to return to work to pay taxes to contribute“

I don’t know any of those. We’ve continued working at home throughout. My extremely physically vulnerable husband has thankfully an extremely effective brain, his expertise has been vital to his employer and thousands who depend upon the income his skill set generates. He, in particular, pays eye watering tax.

More than happy to do so. No, the NHS should not only be available to those who are able to pay.

So because you don't know any they must exist. Funny that.

@mrpumblechook

What about people dying as a result of lockdown?

Have 40,000 people died as a result of lockdown so far. I don't think so.

Not yet but they will. Poverty takes years of people's lives.

I disagree, i actually think lockdown needs to remain in place. Yes i hate it and i miss my freedoms and people but it's better than dying and leaving my children behind should i catch this beastard virus. I think the UK is one of the worst handled countries during covid and our true numbers are way above 40,000 dead if you look at excess deaths this year!

I want this lockdown to end now I've had enough.
I miss my family so much blasted Wales we are only allowed to travel 5 miles from our homes well this doesn't work for me my family live a good 200 miles from us and my in-laws are on the other side of the bridge.

I'm fed up of seeing both in the papers and in the flesh groups of people not socially distancing all going to beaches friends and families houses.
Yet muggins here has stuck by the rules of keeping away from people loved ones.
My DH is back in work now yes I'm lucky that I'm a sahm so we've never had to have that worry about care for our DCs but my DS is missing nursery we are also awaiting a clinical assessment for him for autism we are also awaiting speech and language sessions which have all been delayed due to this lockdown I agreed with it at the beginning but now I'm fed up and when the ministers keep saying this may have to come back in winter months well fuck off im not staying away from my family for over a year I will be breaking the rules before long and you can throw me in prison this is inhuman now to keep people from loved ones

The long term effects of recession are likely to kill more people than COVID-19

Putting the whole world on hold for what is essentiall a few hundred thousand deaths is not sustainable.

I think it will be a few million deaths actually if there isn't some attempt to control the virus. There have already been nearly 400,000 deaths with lockdown in many countries and the virus has only been around for a few months.

Not sure about rioting in the streets. Evan Davies on PM reported on 1st June that 30-40 % of families offered a school place had taken it up, nationwide. The head being interviewed expressed disappointment, they had been hoping for at least 50%. Seems the opposite to me, in RL parents are showing considerably more caution than they are here.

I really hope that schools will be able to open fully by September, not least, selfishly, for the benefit of our own youngest.
It has to be done only if the situation at the time is safe though.

The long term effects of recession are likely to kill more people than COVID-19

Based on what?

I think it will be a few million deaths actually if there isn't some attempt to control the virus. There have already been nearly 400,000 deaths with lockdown in many countries and the virus has only been around for a few months

I reckon about the same amount will die as a result of poverty too. Especially in poorer countries.

@mrpumblechook

The long term effects of recession are likely to kill more people than COVID-19

Based on what?

It's a well known fact that people in poorer areas have a shorter life expectancy. Poverty kills.

Not to mention recession usually causes an increase in suicides.

Oh and what usually happens during recession? Services get cut. You know like the NHS? Who pays for that? Us. Who pays for it if not enough people have jobs?

A poor economy and poor health outcomes go hand in hand.

Open your bloody eyes.

@ Chillipeanuts so is contributing to the NHS based only on sacrificing everything to do so?

Do you not think that 25% of the workforce now being on furlow might have an impact on the capacity of the NHS?

I am extremely vulnerable and now I have to take my pick, (potentially,because there are no guarantees) die from COVID, or end up in a financially difficult situation because I’m currently unemployed and have recently had a job offer withdrawn due to my disability.

More people are going to die in car accidents than will die of COVID, yet you don’t see people talking of banning cars do you?

This time last year I was in hospital having come through cardiac shock and subsequent cardiac arrest, I had heart surgery and now I am in a position where my only way to a long-term future is a heart transplant. Although fortunately I am currently in the position of being well enough (because of previous interventions) to not yet need to be on the list.

I could waste that time of being healthy by putting my entire life on hold, and potentially coming out of lockdown just as my health deteriorates, thus wasting what health I had at the time, or I can accept that ultimately, we’re all going to die of something.

Not palatable perhaps, and I am currently taking precautions for that something not to be COVID, But given that most people are unlikely to die of COVID, it’s entirely unrealistic to expect them to put their lives on hold And to obliterate the whole economy because of something which will probably never happen.

TrustTheGeneGenie

“So because you don't know any they must exist. Funny that.”

Not, not at all but I suspect they are a tiny minority. I don’t suppose too many people are relishing living on reduced incomes.

Most people, I suspect are desperate to get their lives back on track. I am, hate these restrictions as much as the next person. The disagreement is over how to do that in the safest way possible while continuing to protect everyone.

Not yet but they will. Poverty takes years of people's lives.

That doesn't mean that there will be more deaths due a recession than COVID-19. Even if it did, it is likely that one would happen with or without a lockdown because half a million people dying from the virus would have a big impact on the economy to.

Open your bloody eyes.

Open yours. Stop pontificating on what might happen because of lockdown and look at what actually is happening due to the virus.

@mrpumblechook

Not yet but they will. Poverty takes years of people's lives.

That doesn't mean that there will be more deaths due a recession than COVID-19. Even if it did, it is likely that one would happen with or without a lockdown because half a million people dying from the virus would have a big impact on the economy to.

I haven't said there shouldn't have been a lockdown. I think it's causing more problems than its solving now.

You've made it quite clear that only deaths from covid matter and well fuck everyone else. Lovely.

@mrpumblechook

Open your bloody eyes.

Open yours. Stop pontificating on what might happen because of lockdown and look at what actually is happening due to the virus.

There is no might about it.

I think it will be a few million deaths actually if there isn't some attempt to control the virus. There have already been nearly 400,000 deaths with lockdown in many countries and the virus has only been around for a few months. and I think the virus will burn out, as is currently being suggested in many quarters, and which seems to be evident in Italy.

But it doesn’t matter, because the fact is that nobody actually knows what is going to happen. This has only ever been a guessing game from the start, by all governments, even the ones who put steps in place early.

In South Korea they applied measures quickly, were said to have the virus under control and now they’ve had to close schools again because of spikes.

As much as I think that many people think for us it’s been too little too late it’s also entirely possible that in some countries it will have been too much too soon. We just don’t know.