To think the lockdown needs to end now?

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I could understand a lockdown being imposed for a few weeks to make sure the NHS was up to capacity, but it’s gone well beyond that. The NHS now has lots of excess capacity and yet here we still are.

I am horrified by what has happened to our civil liberties, what it’s doing to our children’s education, what it’s doing to everyone’s livelihoods and mental health, what it’s doing to the economy, how people are not getting life-saving treatment for things like cancer, etc.

I don’t understand why people aren’t given the right to choose to self-isolate if they need to but for the rest of us to be allowed to get on with our lives and to take responsibility for ourselves.

I don’t understand why people who are not old and don’t have underlying health conditions are acting hysterically and why people have decided it’s OK to police other people’s behaviour and shout at them in the street.

I feel like I’m living in some kind of awful dystopian society.

I realise I’m in the minority here but does anyone agree with me?

[quote Inkpaperstars]@MarginalGain

Well, if it would have looked like 2018 then lockdown was a huge mistake. I don't know why it would have when the disease is different. Medic friends never mentioned flu in 20-8. They've mentioned this. The have a look in their eyes as if they have emerged from a war zone. I am not qualified to comment.

Re death stats I don't know, the document I link below may shed some light on high rate of excess deaths.

www.actuaries.org.uk/system/files/field/document/Mortality%20monitor%20Week%2021%202020%20v01%202020-06-02_0.pdf[/quote]
Where there's two months of death in one month, or maybe even three or four, medics feel the pain acutely. The rest of us can't see it (unless they're in the funeral business or something adjacent to this).

I would bet my house on the probability that the 2020-2021 yearly average of excess deaths will be within one standard deviation of the ten years preceding them.

I would bet something less, but still quite a bit, that the same could be said for the whole of 2020.

Princess..I was evacuated home in a plane rammed to the rafters, in an airport cheek by jowl with at least 3000 unfortunate souls
No masks, no sanitiser, no social distancing

No information on what we were meant to do when we got home. No testing.
Having survived all of that , I really think if I was going to be infected, that would have been a prime time. Don’t you?

Also my 6 friends were evacuated home on different days, on different planes in the same conditions
Yet none of us got sick, not even the 86 year old with spinal stenosis, or the 70 year old with heart and lung conditions and no spleen
And
Neither did any of our families

Please stop scare mongering and stop getting yourself into such a panic.

And, goodnight.

@userxx

Because it's the decent thing to do. Because a measure of a decent society is how it treats its elderly and vulnerable.

In your opinion. What about the elderly and vulnerable who have been broken by by lockdown? Not every "elderly" person wants to be isolated from the world. It's fucking heartbreaking.

indeed - my mother-in-law has cancer, but we can't go to visit. Because Covid.

It's bonkers.

Agree OP 100%!

@lockdownprincess also to add, it terrifies me how many children have been locked up with their abusers for months. How many people have suffered at the hands of a drunk or violent partner. How many people are being crushed by hopelessness or having their minds warped by fear of the unknown.

These things terrify me. You should read up on these too, because they are real things happening behind the closed doors of houses on your street right now.

I think many furloughed people still haven't accepted that they are soon to be unemployed.

I imagine quite a few know it is likely. I wonder what percentage retaining employment would be 'worth it' for the govt?

@lockdownprincess No, I think it's you who needs to educate yourself. Fucking insulting post and ignorant to boot.

Does anyone know how many extra deaths there have been?

My 15 year old really needs to go to school. It’s got nothing to do with me not being able to teach him just that he is becoming a cave dweller. Doesn’t want to go out or talk to his friends. He is very angry. Barely opens his curtains. Schooling has been pathetic. He was enthusiastic at the start but when your work isn’t marked and there is no feedback it becomes demotivating.

I understand the virus. I know I could get it. But I can’t stay in until a vaccine is found.

There seems to be a groundswell of people who just seem to be so sick of this madness that they are just behaving like normal

I met some of them at the forest today.
I feel there’s going to be more and more voices demanding an end to this insanity.

Like the Berlin Wall...people power showed they’d had enough
It will happen here.
More and more people doing their own thing.

@lockdownprincess

I honestly find threads like this truly terrifying. I will step away because I don't need the stress. But I beg you all to read some more about this disease. Please please don't be so selfish as to say you're not in the danger age bracket so it doesn't matter. Please educate yourselves about how it's spread.

I'm sorry to say this but it sounds like some of you just don't understand the gravity of the situation.

One in two of us will get cancer. Presently I find the thought of that far more terrifying, while the NHS has effects closed itself to everything but Covid.

I agree OP.

The CMO has said all along excess deaths will be a key measure for the assessment of this whole crisis, and if they are lower than expected then no doubt they will claim a big victory for lockdown, but I think investigations will reveal that earlier actions may have saved even more lives and done less economic damage. Or it will all be whitewashed as usual.

Recently the outbreak in care homes combined with effects of weeks of lockdown in the wider community are obviously weighting deaths even more heavily towards the elderly and frail than in a state of nature.

*Effectively not effects

I’m just so angry on my kids behalf as well, everyone I know seems to be just laying down and taking whatever crumbs we are being given and even applauding half schooling come August! My 6 year old is totally out of the routine and has actually said he doesn’t want to go back to school at all, he goes to the hub with teachers and other kids he doesn’t know and finds it really difficult and has started being rude which I have punished him for but at the same time i find it hard because this is so hard for him. Before lockdown his teacher was going to refer him to see if there was any things they could out in place to help
Him deal with his emotions a little better as he is a sensitive soul but never heard anymore and likely won’t be able to get any help for a while, I just don’t know what to do, I feel like I am really failing him

I am extremely angry at how quickly everything has changed. It's been constant doom and negativity since day one. Schools are actively discouraging children from returning, how is that right? Why is there such a culture of 'more than my jobs worth' in this country? There's never any solutions. I feel children have been let down. They are being told their schools don't want them there, they are being told they can't see or hug their grandparents, they can't play with their friends.... the swings have been fucking taken down. That's all before medical appointments being cancelled. How long will it take for the backlog?

Furious re schools

Furious about people being denied the liberty to see the people they love

Furious about no NHS treatments

It’s an absolute fkn disgrace

Get fkn schools back, you bunch of morons !! Fed up with it - ruining our kids life to protect against an imaginary foe

People seem to be confused about what is and isn't caused by lockdown. The lack of treatment for cancer etc is down to NHS reorganisation to cope with COVID-19 and nothing to do with lockdown itself. In addition treatments for cancer and some other conditions put patients at high risk from coronavirus so treatments have been delayed. Arguably if we hadn't had lockdown and Covid cases had increased to the extent the NHS couldn't cope then treatments for other conditions would have been even less likely to happen.

Without lockdown there would have been more deaths and it would not have helped the economy anyway. It hasn't done in Sweden. Restaurants, café's, cinema, theatres, etc are going to make profit whether or not they are open if a large proportion of the population are visiting them. The only thing we should have done differently is to lockdown sooner.

are going to make profit are not going to make a profit.

You’re wrong - the economy is booming in Sweden, get your facts right

You’re wrong - the economy is booming in Sweden, get your facts right

Get your facts right.
www.businessinsider.com/sweden-economy-likely-wont-benefit-from-decision-avoid-lockdown-report-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

I never thought I’d see the day that people would be begging for stricter lockdowns
Begging to have their freedoms taken away
Just a couple of weeks after the 75 th anniversary of VEday
Pretty ironic
Don’t you think

Awful what’s been done to children
I don’t agree with this at all
In a huge forest today, about 5 adventure playgrounds..all locked down
Like people can’t spread themselves out a bit
Just crazy
Otherwise, situation looked pretty normal
Except three times busier than a week gone Sunday

Open more facilities and people will spread themselves out a bit.

Perhaps if there was a decent test/track system in place, it would be a good idea to ease things slowly.

But with every new day I get a little more concerned that the tories might have actually wasted this time completely.

I agree with you!