Is there systemic racism in US police?

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'I don't think there's systemic racism' in US police forces says Trump’s security adviser.

How blind can you be?

Another black man is dead, not the first one to die at the hands of police and the Trump squad still claim that you get good guys and bad guys in the police, that not all police are racist, that they have non-white policemen so that makes them not racist.

Bingo!

Of course. The UK is bad, but the USA is worse, like on a different level!

Yes here too. The only difference here is it's less socially acceptable to be openly racist but there is still ingrained institutional racism throughout.

@ursula2001
You seem at best confused and at worst racist This is about black people, not other minority groups which may not have sustained such targeted treatment by the police. Black people.

And your point is?
The point is you seem undecided about your race but say black youngsters should be killed if they like drill music that is racist whatever colour you are.
Advocating killing you black men is racist you make assumptions about young black men also racist. As I mentioned earlier I'm black British living in 4 bedroom house in London with children at private school but still fear for my son due to people like you stereotyping him.
You are a dangerous individual stating that your not white whilst calling for what seems to be "final solution" type scenario for young black males.
Oh and well done for being in a relationship with a drunk white copper whilst saying how wonderful they are

Yes. And as others have pointed out there is institutional racism here in the uk too

@ursula2001
"And I've experience racism from a fair few black people too on account of it if I'm honest"
I'ts not racism it's more likely because you seem to have a problem with black people particularly young men which is racist.

Hi there,
Sorry to derail thread a bit @OP but just reminding everyone to let MNHQ if you suspect someone is not who they say they are particularly white people pretending to be black also men pretending to be women or worse case scenario both. These people cause a lot of damage.

There’s systemic racism in the US “period”. It’s rooted in the history and runs much deeper than in the UK for that reason.

As soon as the UK abolished slavery in the British Empire, in law everyone was equal in theory.

There was never any legislation that classified and directly discriminated people based on race.

Of course there was plenty of legislation that indirectly discriminated against minorities, for example the “property qualification” to be allowed to vote. White people were more likely to own property and therefore more likely to be able to vote. But that still meant that a rich black person could vote whilst a poor white person could not.

In the Southern states of the US, not only did slavery last for a couple of generations longer, but the law actually allowed (and in some cases required) racial segregation. That lasted until the 1960s which means that there are plenty of people still alive who can remember it- and the attitudes that went with it are still alive and well as a result.

I’m not saying the UK or the UK police are perfect, but on paper a white British subject and a black British subject have had the same rights since the early 19th century. In the US that was only the case since the late 1960s.

@Temp123999

Hi there, Sorry to derail thread a bit *@OP* but just reminding everyone to let MNHQ if you suspect someone is not who they say they are particularly white people pretending to be black also men pretending to be women or worse case scenario both. These people cause a lot of damage.

Yes, Ursula, whose posts have now been deleted, was also "active" (we're not allowed to use the T-word) on the feminism section, and it transpires was fishing for screenshots for use on his/her twitter feed.

Not sure whether they were a common or garden under-bridge-dweller winding people up for their own amusement, or had a more sinister motive, but certainly not who they said they were.

That woman in Central Park who called the police because a man told her to put a leash on her dog. said "there is an African American man threatening my life" she knew that saying African American instead of just a man will trigger a quick response from the police.
another African American was shot for running , and the shooters were not arrested till the videos were released, the shooters also described the runner as black.
The correlation between crime and African Americans is deeply rooted within the police. I read that out of 15 wrongful police shooting of African Americans only one policeman was arrested.

The US has serious problems with racism, but if you think that systemic racism is not as much of a problem in the UK as it is in the US, you have a very blinkered view of reality. Since most British people don't study their own colonial history, this is somewhat understandable, but that doesn't mean that the British Empire's many horrors aren't part of its legacy.
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/dec/05/britain-colonial-history-curriculum-racism-migration

I come from the liberal northeastern US, and I have ancestors who fought and died on the northern side in the Civil War. But does that exonerate me in any way? NoI still benefit by being white. I still benefit from institutions that were enriched by slavery. The cotton mills that employed young women in this part of the world got their cotton from Southern plantations, for example. As did Britain's. The UK and the US were enriched, fed by, and dressed in this fibre that was grown in slavery. The beautiful buildings and fine institutionsmuseums, universities, libraries, etc.--that make up our civilizations were built on the back of slaves and colonized peoples. Whether they were within our borders as in the US, or you stole their labor, their resources and their fates, as you did in India and other countries, we people of the west commandeered what belonged to others, kept it for ourselves, and called it civilization.

I'm trying to do a home-schooling project with DS on this, at his request (sparked off by the murder of George Floyd). We've been looking at the slave trade and not merely its impact in the Americas, but how its knock-on effects put Britain in a position of economic power which enabled the industrial revolution, and also the huge damage it caused to many of the West and Central African civilizations at the end of the 18th century, which then left them so weakened they were wide open to colonial exploitation in the 19th century.

We live in a part of the country where we're surrounded by huge numbers of elegant 18th century buildings built on the back of the slave trade, with huge amounts of inherited wealth that's been in the same families for 2 and a half centuries since their ancestors built their fortunes on the back of the slave trade. And of cities where the Black urban poor still get screwed over by the inequality lingering from 2 and a half centuries ago. So Durgasarrow's point is very germane to the discussion.

I recently read The New Jim Crow by Michelle Alexander and it was eye opening, made me see how the legal system in the US is being used to deliberately control the black population and that it is systemic, not the actions of individual rogue officers. Very worthwhile read.

Breaking News: George Floyd died of asphyxia, a private autopsy finds. The medical examiner of the previous official autopsy had found no signs of “traumatic asphyxia or strangulation".

The racism is ingrained. It is systemic and endemic. So upset. Not surprised though.

Is there a link for that? Disgusting!

BBC online.

Its on bbc news

Does a bear shit in the woods?

Thanks

I have to say, I thought there were some bad apples until I saw some of the things that the police have done during all of this. It isn't just racism either but a god complex, like the office who pepper sprayed the journalist in the face while he was lying on the floor not resisting, the office who shot people with rubber bullets while they were on their porches, the one who pepper sprayed a 9 year old girl. There is a massive list on reddit combining all of the things and I was genuinely shocked, upset and horrified.

There is a serious problem with the police over there

CaraDune--a friend and I were discussing how Jane Austen was quite tuned in to what was going on to what was going on in her day. In several of her novels she makes reference to wealth coming from Caribbean trade and Sanditon even had Miss Lambe, a 17 year old "half mulatto" heiress as a character.

There's systemic racism, of course, but there's also so many times when intolerable behaviours have been ignored, allowed and continued because nobody stood up for what was right. Which means that on top of racism, you also have cover-ups and blind-eyes and missing evidence.

I am white, so are my DC. DS14's best friend and his family moved here from St Lucia a few years ago and his family, whilst wonderful, warm, friendly and kind, are also wary of raising their two teenage boys in a mainly-white community because things here are so very different. And the more we've got to know them, the more I've seen what they mean when they use phrases like "white privilege" because as much as I don't want to think it exists, it truly, truly does.

How fearful black people must be in the USA at the moment is anyone's guess. But we all have a part to play - to think, to listen and to hear despite how harrowing it might feel to acknowledge the disparity.

OMG!
The private autopsy also found he had no underlying conditions, unlike the state autopsy which said he died from his underlying conditions.

I'll say it again: America is a corrupt backwards shithole.

But how do you know which autopsy is right? It could be argued the private guy might be swayed towards what the family want? Or of course the state one might be trying to protect the police? But this doctor is the one who said Epstein was murdered and I don’t think that’s being officially accepted either....his cause of death is still suicide?