to ask if you resent the shielded?

[BlackBucketOfCheese]

I have seen a lot of people saying on MN and across social media that they now resent giving up months of their lives “to protect the shielded” as they have put it.
And that those shielded should show gratitude.

That immuno suppressed précis is utterly depressing

Does this mean we can now assume that immunosuppression protects against severe COVID-19 and COVID-19-related ARDS (adult respiratory distress syndrome)? Not yet. The UK’s ITU cohort of severe COVID-19 is biased in that those patients who are deemed too frail and/or disabled may never get to ITU, which may include a disproportionate number of immunosuppressed patients.

ie because it states the frail don’t get to ITU and so the immuno suppressed may be under represented in the study

I don't resent the shielded at all.

What I do resent is the fact I've been left financially high and dry by the government (recently self employed, all booked work cancelled, and eligible for zilch). I believe that medically there's an argument I should be shielding - I can't fucking well afford to shield. Something has to pay the rent!

?! nope.. first i've heard of this idea

Another thing that annoys me is this assumption that anyone shielding is on death’s door already. It’s a sneaky way to make their lives seem less valuable and less worth saving. and this notion that anyone shielding is somehow incapable of independent thought and needs to be told what to do and to listen accordingly.

And tbh I predominantly blame the media for that.

I’ve seen posts on here from posters saying that they’re annoyed that someone who is “supposed” to be shielding has gone to the shop for a newspaper when they’re “supposed” to be shielding, and knowing the risks mean that they know they will take up an ICU bed which someone in better health could have had.

Also yesterday on the BBC the headline stated that some shielded would be “allowed” to go outside. This wasn’t what was said at all, it was stated that it was perceived the risk of going outside for a period of exercise each day was a very low risk thing to do. And now people are saying that the shielded are being “pushed out” of shielding. Going out wasn’t an instruction, people do still have the freedom to make their own decisions and take their own risks accordingly.

Pretty much every underlying conditions is an insignificant risk relative to age

Thus is simply not true of the shielded conditio. They have death rates of over 5% and many 10% and upwards.

Age is not a factor in deciding about shielding.

But it's correct to say most asthmatics do not need to shield (they are the 'flu jab' group vulnerable). Only those on the strongest drugs or who have had a previous ICU admission are on the 'shield' list

No , not at all. What is the point of resenting anything apart from the virus? Tbh i suppose its not even the fault of the virus!!

They like to forget that many young/healthy people have died. It's an inconvenient truth. The young/healthy like to think they're above it.

The government was stupid to not start the lockdown earlier. Over 38000 people have died as a result! It's a tragedy. The rest if Europe together has fared much better!! We should be ashamed

Grey12, this government doesn't do ashamed.

I don't resent the shielded at all.

I do resent that this government has had a gigantic mission creep with these lockdown measures. 3 weeks to stop the NHS being overwhelmed, now nearly 3 months and we have keep a fair chunk of these measures until there's a vaccine?

I resent that cancer treatments are more or less suspended while NHS hospital beds lay empty.

I resent the irreparable damage to the economy,

I resent not being able see my family who live 400 miles away.

I resent the feeling that a precedent has been set for bad flu years for further lockdown measures.

I resent directors who dodge tax and NI, paying a non active spouse a salary and paying themselves dividends whining about not getting free money when they've rinsed the system for years.

I resent shops that have put their prices up for hand sanitisers, paracetamol and loo roll.

I resent teachers unions jumping on the chance to have a pop at the government, using an extremely thin veil of 'concern for children' who almost never get CV and when they do its incredibly mild.

I resent journalists jabbing on about Dominic Cummings, his actions are questionable, yes, but FFS the country is still under virtual house arrest with the country made to feel grateful for being able to get to B&Q and sit in a garden with 5 other people, ask something about that rather than irrelevant politically driven crap.

The shielded? No

Those claiming that lock down was pointless or the fault of the shielded and that we didn’t use the nightingale hospitals obviously have no understanding of the exponential. Until lockdown started to take effect the death rate was doubling every few days, if we hadn’t locked down it could have been catastrophic for everyone. The NHS collapsing would have been very bad for everyone.

And blaming the most vulnerable people in society for any of it is frankly disgusting.

They like to forget that many young/healthy people have died. It's an inconvenient truth. The young/healthy like to think they're above it. there are very few young and healthy people who have died compared to those who have underlying health conditions.

The death rate in the under 45’s is approx 400 which by comparison is negligible. No death is insignificant, and in between death and healthy there are obviously those who will have had a complicated illness, but of the death rate 91% have had underlying health conditions.

It's ridiculous to resent being shielded. You have a choice and the guidance says so, and always did. And it's nobody else's business. I'm shielded but walk as often as I want. Although I easily can.

Also, and on my high horse here, not all of us are elderly or live alone. Not everyone in my household at the moment can stay in, and it's just too much to confine myself to a single room. That's said, we're all being extra careful.

Anyone out there who resents the shielded is a bloody idiot

^ This. Succinct and completely spot on.

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I think you've downplayed the risk to children. I don't have a citation but have read that even asymptomatic children may have scarring on the lungs-more research needed. It's certainly not true that they 'almost never' get covid and the stats on the immune response aren't in because there is a time delay of 4-6 weeks following infection. Some people think it would be wise to wait until we have this info or at least better treatment options, others don't. Take out the gloss on the details in your spin and the nuance seems more reasonable.

And I don't know anyone who resents the shielded in real life. I don't think this is an actual thing.

No .. hasn’t even crossed my mind to think of it like that !

@frillyflamingo

I went to a garden centre today, it's the first public outing for me since giving birth 11weeks ago. It was almost exclusively full of people over 75, none of which had any regard for social distancing- it was awful.

I did resent spending weeks in lockdown being very careful to prevent the spread which will disproportionately affect this older generation - to see them mostly ignoring social distancing. My children are the generation who will be paying for this and I resent every single person who isn't taking it seriously.

Oh surely posters aren’t still going on about the ‘oldies’. That was your experience at a garden centre. Have you really not seen the numerous photos over the past few weeks of crowds congregating on beaches, seafronts and in parks? Hordes and hordes of young people, enjoying life without seemingly a care in the world, either for themselves or for others. Or does that uncomfortable truth not fit your ageist agenda?

I haven't voted as I don't know which is which, but no, I don't resent the shielded.

@0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h hardly any children have been really ill from Covid that I know of, do you have a link please?

No I'm afraid I don't, I was responding to your claim though and you didn't have a link either... Hardly any is a subjective term and glosses over the fact that children have died because apparently there are hardly any of them... It's heavily reliant on context and the assumption that relative to the numbers exposed, the numbers are negligible and would continue to be negligible regardless of how many children were exposed. I know you don't have a link to that info because it doesn't exist. What also doesn't exist is the numbers of children affected by an immune response post infection or the long term effects of this condition on people who have recovered. I'm very thankful the numbers of children seriously affected are low but I think your wording is a bit rash and somewhat thoughtless when a significant number of parents have been through hell. Not many by your reckoning perhaps but still, significant. Not to mention the many children (mine included) who would be in some danger and are presumably not children at all because hardly any children get sick and here they are, v existing like many others I know of.

Where did you find this information from, I haven’t seen this anywhere? I’m not the poster you were replying to, just interested where this information has come from?

Of course I don't resent the shielded. Hell my dad is one of the shielded. I do find it slightly annoying though that (and clearly this is not ALL) a few of those shielding seem to think we should all be in lockdown until a vaccine appears. And its actually been phrased like 'anyone who wants to get on with life is putting me at risk!' (and even 'why should others be allowed out when the shielded are not, unfair, everyone should be in!') which..has caused some resentment towards individual shielders from what I have seen, but certainly not shielders as a group. If anything, I feel awful for them as its clearly not their fault they are vulnerable.

I wouldn't say I resent the shielded - I feel horrendously sorry for them and consider myself lucky to be in excellent health with (as far as I'm concerned) zero risk from the virus. I live with 2 shielded people unrelated to me, in a shared house where we were all placed by the council. I have to admit that I do wish that they had even once said, hey thanks for not going out. Thanks for sacrificing your entire life so that you don't accidentally bring something back here, and we catch it. Instead they just complain that my life is so much better than theirs and I am so lucky because I can, very occasionally, go out in the open air. I don't resent them, really, but I am surprised that there's never even an acknowledgement that I am, out of choice , giving up my civil liberties and everything I hold dear in life to keep them safe.

There are so many research articles being published everyday, I can't remember where I saw it, I'm sorry. I'm not going to pretend I stand behind it but the fact that it's one of the many bits of info coming out highlights the need for more research and more data before we make sweeping statements about how safe children are. No one saw the autoimmune response coming and likewise, I'm not aware of people being left with long-term health problems from a harmless little flu.... Problems shouldn't be over or under stated to draw attention to the needs of any one group when the overriding problem is lack of information as this compounds the confusion.