to ask if you resent the shielded?

[BlackBucketOfCheese]

I have seen a lot of people saying on MN and across social media that they now resent giving up months of their lives “to protect the shielded” as they have put it.
And that those shielded should show gratitude.

Thanks Eye can’t wait to return to work tomorrow now.

@Alsohuman the message until very recently was "stay at home" unless you need to go out. I had to need, so we stayed home. There isn't anything unnecessary about it? But yeah I haven't seen granny for a while...

@eyewhisker - can you share the research papers on immunosuprressants please? Sure many of us would like to see them...

I don't believe anyone would resent anyone shielding, chridt anyone with half a brain will have enormous sympathy for anyone shielding.
It's the arse holes not sticking to lock down rules I have no time for which going by the news and round here is 75% of folk.

I’m sure there was a thread with almost the exact title as that woman said. Something about younger people being paid for their sacrifice?

That's interesting BlackBucket. Perhaps Woman's Hour were trawling mumsnet for ideas for the show and contacted the OP of that thread.

Here is that thread.
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3875842-Younger-people-should-be-rewarded-for-lockdown-via-affordable-housing

I think I only read the OP at the time but the title stuck around on active for a while. Off to have a read now.

Not at all , we have all had to do stuff that's now normal etc to help protect us all in the long run and get more prepared , on saying that I'm not one who thinks we can lockdown forever

I dont resent them but it's starting to get on my wick that some of the 'shielded' just bleating on about how it's too early to eae up on lockdown blah blah blah. Just stop.

Black bucket - if you are genuinely interested in understanding risk, take a look at the diagram on page 12 of this study. This shows how significant different risk factors
are for covid. The closer the indicator is to the line, the lower the risk. athevline represents the risk for a 50 year old, non-obese woman with no underlying health conditions.

www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v1.full.pdf

The factors a listed are all controlled for - so the figure for conditions is after controlling for age and sex. So this shows that men have double the risk of women, ( factor of 2 compared to women) and that those in their 40s have a quarter of the risk of those in their 50s (factor of 0.25). Most of the listed conditions double a person’s risk after age and sex are controlled for. So a woman in their 30s with one underlying condition has on average the risk comparable to a 30 year old man ( as men have double the risk of women).

Those under 40 have less than a tenth of the risk of those in their 50s (factor of 0.07) so still a very low level of risk. This doesn’t adjust for severity of any condition but you may find it a little reassuring. Most underlying conditions at most double your risk, but for a woman in your mid 30s, this is doubling from a really low level, and just means a risk comparable to a man of the same age without the condition.

Of course all life is valuable and we should all protect it.

Thus gives some info on immunosuppressants and covid.

multiple-sclerosis-research.org/2020/04/does-immunosuppression-protect-you-from-severe-covid-19/

Incidentally, the study seems to find that asthma - even with OCS - has a very low impact on risk - less than 25% higher for others of the same sex and age.

Ironically OP, I probably am at higher risk than you as those in their 40s have three times the risk of those in their 30s and most underlying conditions at most double the risk you would otherwise have had.

I've posted this on another thread as well, but think it fits here too.

I think this article is worth reading:

www.theguardian.com/books/2020/may/30/this-man-knows-hes-dying-as-surely-as-i-do-a-doctors-dispatches-from-intensive-care

Two short excerpts from it:

"The moment we rank life according to who most “deserves” it, we have crossed into a realm I don’t want to be a part of – and I struggle to believe many other Britons do either. The way out of this pandemic cannot, surely, entail the sacrifice of those deemed less worth saving?"

"Our society may be endemically unequal, but noone in Britain is expendable"

Eyewhisker

I understand the risk.
My consultants have told me the risk every fortnights since the end of Feb.
My degree and job involve directly working in this area. I am not unaware of the risk.

I haven’t said anything about the risk, so I don’t know why I’m getting a lecture about it?

I dont resent them but it's starting to get on my wick that some of the 'shielded' just bleating on about how it's too early to eae up on lockdown blah blah blah. Just stop.

Just listen to yourself. "I don't resent them", then saying some are "bleating" and your disavowing quotation marks around shielded says everything about your thoroughly unpleasant and dishonest attitude.

Oh, and the bleating shielders have some who agree with them:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/31/health-officials-make-last-minute-plea-to-stop-lockdown-easing-happy-monday

"The moment we rank life according to who most “deserves” it, we have crossed into a realm I don’t want to be a part of – and I struggle to believe many other Britons do either. The way out of this pandemic cannot, surely, entail the sacrifice of those deemed less worth saving?"

^
So important.

Friends and family are shielding. It’s been pretty miserable for them. Of course I don’t envy them.

I was trying to be helpful. There are lots of posters on mumsnet saying that they or their children are asthmatic and therefore high risk when the latest research is that it makes minimal difference to risk.

Pretty much every underlying conditions is an insignificant risk relative to age.

OP Anyone actually saying that is an idiot, but there are lots of those about. Some of them on this thread.

Anyone saying they resent protecting the vulnerable has shown their true colours. You don't have to give them or their ridiculous views any more exposure.

I don't even understand the terminology - no one seems to use it coherently!

[quote frillyflamingo]@Alsohuman the message until very recently was "stay at home" unless you need to go out. I had to need, so we stayed home. There isn't anything unnecessary about it? But yeah I haven't seen granny for a while... [/quote]
And your unnecessary ageism? That’s OK?

@cyclingmad

I dont resent them but it's starting to get on my wick that some of the 'shielded' just bleating on about how it's too early to eae up on lockdown blah blah blah. Just stop.

One of the most ignorant posts I've seen on mn over 16 years.

I am in the shielded group and I feel nothing but guilt, my family are stuck in with me and I've had to rely on others to get through this. I worry that people think I'm taking the piss (I'm quite private about my health issues wouldn't disclose unless I have too) and I am eternally grateful for those that have made a difference.k just want to be a normal person again get back to work and moaning about school runs.

"The moment we rank life according to who most “deserves” it, we have crossed into a realm I don’t want to be a part of

Sorry - this is ridiculous emotive nonsense! We've quite rightly been in that realm for a very long time, certainly since the era of modern healthcare.