To find it scary that people have willingly downloaded the track and trace app?

[SunnyThatsMyName]

This all reminds me of the start of some sci-fi/thriller movie.
Why are people so easily giving away their details to this useless government?

Springisintheair2

you people

Is the app actually live?

I thought they’d given up in it?

Would be interesting to see how the Cummings saga has affected the number of people willing to download the app, I think it will be a significant factor.

I'm seeing this over and over on this thread, but can't for the life of me see the relevance?

If you were told by someone they had tested positive and so you should isolate, would you not because of DC?

What have you all got to hide?

Is it out now?

Is there even an app yet? I thought it was just a pilot on the Isle of Wight.

It's pretty scary if people are so dumb and eager to comply that they've downloaded a fake app! We haven't been told to do any such thing. 🤦‍♀️

SunnyThatsMyName life isn't a movie or a youtube video. It's ok to enjoy them as long as you know the difference.

I dont think people are getting that this app has been rushed through. I have nothing to hide but i'm not downloading an app that I bet loads of hackers/scammers are dribbling at right now.

What have you all got to hide?
There’s this thing called “privacy”, especially where shit governments, and country’s with frequent incidents of data breaches, data getting lost etc, is concerned.

Why have walls? Why have curtains? Are you doing something weird? Illegal? Don’t be shy we are all the same, what have you got to hide?

And what is it with mumsnet users getting so bitchy when someone has a different opinion to them?
I'm not a conspiracy theorist and I have stuck by the rules since lockdown began.
The government have completely balls this lockdown up and now rushed a track and trace app through which knowing them will either go completely wrong or be forgotten about within a month

I have the IOW app. What are you worried about? That your phone will realise you were within 2m of someone you shouldn't have been? It's anonymous for the most part. And its naive to think that organisations do not have far more information on you. Your phone is always listening.

Count the Cummings saga is just the latest instalment in the long running series ‘We are run by a bunch of incompetents’. I don’t trust this lot at all, they’ll sell any £million contract to their equally incompetent mates. I don’t actually believe they would deliberately misuse my data - they are likely to be too incompetent to even to that - but I do believe they’ll lose it on a train/accidentally sell it to god knows who/post it on Facebook. It’s not as if they don’t have form.

Nor do i feel comfortable with some random person ringing me telling me to isolate. This is every scammers dream to those who are vulnerable - they'll probably find a way to get bank details off those who are a bit less tech savvy
"Hello, this is insert name, you have been near someone with Covid 19. Please self-isolate for 14 days. But before you do we need your bank card numbers so we know it's definitely you"

How many of those afraid of the app use gmail? When you do you agree that google can read the contents of your emails and any emails sent to you.

Most of you have smart phones too so the fear is a bit selective.

The government already HAVE most of my "details"

You vote, don't you? They already know who you are and where you live. Facebook, Amazon, Google etc know your banking info, where you are, who you are with, what you are doing every minute of every day. What's the bloody difference if they use the info to track covid cases rather than to send us blatant lies about how amazing they are and how voting for them will change our lives or ask us whether we want to review our local Boots?

And i know the there's loads of information about me out there!! I am not downloading it because it's been rushed through and the concept of it creeps me out with some randomer ringing me to tell me to self isolate

Last time I say it: I am not not downloading it because of privacy, i am not downloading it because i don't trust the government to keep this information safe when it's been rushed through

@Pipandmum

I have the IOW app. What are you worried about? That your phone will realise you were within 2m of someone you shouldn't have been? It's anonymous for the most part. And its naive to think that organisations do not have far more information on you. Your phone is always listening.

As I said before, they obviously don't have "far more information on you" or we wouldn't need the app.

if you are contacted as a contact you are expected to isolate for 14 days even if well most people can't afford to live for 2 weeks on SSP possibly several times, in Scotland it will be only contacts of someone that has tested positive but they should enable these contacts of people who have been positive to get tested asap so they do not need to isolate even a day longer than necessary just expecting to isolate because they may have been near someone might get co-operation once from a person / employer it won't get co-operation when it's the third time in 3 months
as only about 3% of those tested are positive the 97% mudt have a reason for testing maybe they are NHS workers but lots of people with symptoms test negative because they just have an ordinary cold or flu that has been going around for years for the vast majority of people the symptoms are the same as a cold that last year they would have taken a couple of paracetamols and gone to work with, if you had even thought of keeping your kid off school you would have had letters about attendance
just like ordinary flu the more severe cases affect the elderly and vulnerable but 2 years ago when there were 50,000 excess deaths from flu/pneumonia ( including 59 people under 20) nothing happened just usual busy winter hospitals warnings
Now Covid 19 is a bit worse than normal flu in that more people end up in hospital and the death rate about ill and vulnerable is very slightly above normal, while about 50% of the deaths have been in over 80's age group the risk of dying of covid if you are over 80 is not 50% but about 15% ( the risk of dying in any one year when you are over 80 is about 11%)
Flu epidemics regularly cause clusters of deaths in elderly care facilities this is not new it making headlines is

on average people show symptoms after 5 days ( about 80-90%)
today is 29th if someone contacted me saying on 26th I had contact with a +ve test I would expect symptoms to develop by 31st maybe allow 2 extra days 2nd June at this point I should be able to get a test or go back to work to expect isolation from 14 days from phone call not 14 days from date of contact is ridiculous and OTT I think compliance would be better if it was 7 days from date of contact then if symptom free carry on if not get a test yourself etc
any time must be from date of contact with the person with covid not the date they trace you as that might already be a week later

I'm seeing this over and over on this thread, but can't for the life of me see the relevance?

If you were told by someone they had tested positive and so you should isolate, would you not because of DC?

I called 101 with a high fever and dry cough, they said go to A&E, I said I would, but now with all that's gone on with Dominic Cummings? No way!

The government pretty much already has all my data from my tax forms, NHS treatment, and all the various forms one has to fill in over a lifetime (DVLA, etc).

Don't think there is anything in the app that they would not already have on record.

DitheringBlidiot

I don't think it's fair to point the finger of blame of those who die at people who don't want to download the app. Let's save that for a government that didn't act quick enough and is failing now at every stage to protect its people

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@countchocula

Exactly. This app is open to scammers etc. I dont trust it

How exactly? What use is your location data to anyone? And the first part of your post code.

You're literally using Mumsnet as we speak, which means you have at least an email address and account here (a forum which has had several data issues).

You can do plenty with location data. Why do you think companies try to collect it in the first place?

If it's a genuine question, just from the mindset of an advertiser's mindset with amateurish machine learning capabilities, I could knock up a model which "knows" your general schedule and can target adverts to nearby stores and products (the one's I am being paid to promote). This is one of the many things that private companies already do and they have much smarter people than me on a full-time salary thinking up other uses.

I couldn't tell you why the government might want your location data as their motive isn't profit maximisation,but I think most people would also agree that it's not utilitarian happiness either.

Currently app has permission to use your location data (not just Bluetooth "pinging"), they can keep it for up to 20 year and you will be identifiable.

I won't be downloading, but why not, if they want to?
Their phones are tracked anyway.

I know someone who was involved in the development of the app and I am not entirely sure of the details but I believe that it is allowing the government to track people in an unprecedented way. I would advise that people throughly look through the terms and conditions when signing up to it.