To find it scary that people have willingly downloaded the track and trace app?

[SunnyThatsMyName]

This all reminds me of the start of some sci-fi/thriller movie.
Why are people so easily giving away their details to this useless government?

What app? I’ve been watching the daily updates and there’s been nothing about an app since they trialled it on IOW.

I was willing to before the whole Cummings saga, but they can fuck off now.

I understand the emotion behind this response, I do. But please stop and think of the consequences of your choice.

Not downloading the app in order to stick two fingers up to the government will not hurt Boris or DC one iota. They’ve both had Covid, after all - they’re safe.

But there are millions of as yet uninfected people out there, who would become seriously ill or die if they get it. Do they not matter to you? Some of them will be among your circle of families and friends. You may be one of them - even if you are young and apparently healthy, you just could be the outlier who dies,

That is who you are hurting when you break the rules or choose not to comply with the advice or refuse to self-isolate unless you’ve got symptoms, and when you think that by refusing to download the app you are somehow getting back at the government.

The place to do that is at the ballot box.

WHAT APP?

@lilgreen

WHAT APP?

The one that they are hoping to launch in a few weeks.

Yes so what is the op talking about? It’s not available yet.

abbccc precisely.

Can someone tell me why the UK isn't using the existing apps which:

• are already up & running
• have been used successfully in other countries
• keep personal data on the user's phone, not centrally (I think)

Definition of social media:

websites and applications that enable users to create and share content or to participate in social networking.

Also, this:

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/nhs-will-keep-personal-data-of-people-with-coronavirus-for-20-years--uk-test-and-trace-programme

The app is currently being trialled on the IOW. DH has it because he works there. It's not expected to be ready before end of June earliest and there are various issues with it - not least that it can't be installed on phones more than about 4 years old!

My concern is that unlike the current phone trace system, which kicks off once someone actually tests positive, the app relies on people self-reporting that they have symptoms.

It's not available yet AFAIK?

I probably would download it as I don't think the gov is smart enough in all this to install some secret tracking software to download everything from your phone. Yes, there is a risk that SERCO are dumb enough to allow some security risk in it, although I think it is all designed so it just had access to anonymised geospatial data and that's quite separate from everything else.

But this gov is so incompetent and dishonest I don't blame people for not wanting to download... I imagine most of my friends won't. I'm angry with the gov for warranting this, not people for being duly cynical

Mumsnet is not social media. You can be truly anonymous if you want.

I won't be downloading it.

I know this will have everyone frothing at the mouth but there's no chance I'm isolating myself for 14 days on the chance I have it. If I get symptoms, I'll isolate. Beyond that, no.

If they wanted to keep people safe they wouldn’t be ending lockdown when many scientists are advising against it.

John Edmunds of the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, a member of the government’s science advisory committee Sage, said Many of us would prefer to see incidence driven to lower levels before we relax the measures,” he said. “At the moment, with relatively high incidence and an untested track and trace system, we are taking some risk here.”

Devi Sridhar, professor of global public health at the University of Edinburgh, said it was “a big risk and gamble to be easing measures so quickly when daily new cases are still so high” and that politics, not science, was driving the decision. “The question of whether it is safe to open is clearly a political one and seems to be driven by economic and social imperatives rather than public health.”

Martin McKee, professor of European public health at the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine said the government was “clearly” easing restrictions too soon. He said he shared Prof Edmunds’ concerns about the track and trace system.

It’s frightening how brainwashed people are with this whole saga

The only way to get rid of this virus is by complying

Resistance is futile

Vulnerable people need to isolate. The rest of us need to get on with it. yet another one who seems to think that the vulnerable need to just keep out of the way of the rest of society.

“Vulnerable” is the new institutionalised.

Anyone with a smart phone and bank cards or does online shopping already has a load of tracing in them. I'd quite like to know if someone could tell me I'd spent time with a person with Covid 🤷‍♀️

Mumsnet is not social media. You can be truly anonymous if you want. no you can’t. If you’ve e.g. used google mail to set up your account then you’re traceable, even if it’s not a normal email address, google tracks your location anyway and if they needed to, e.g. if you posted something on here which broke the law HQ would have the ability to give information to the authorities which would enable them to locate you.

As for those saying they won’t self isolate, perhaps people would prefer that we stayed in lockdown for, oh, I dunno, the next six months? Year? Two years? And when the furlow scheme ends (because it is not sustainable) how do you propose the country should survive?

Refusing to self isolate is shooting yourself in the foot because you will end up being locked down far longer than you are required to self isolate, and you will personally be responsible for the eradication of the economy.

But do crack on.

Also, this

www.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/28/nhs-will-keep-personal-data-of-people-with-coronavirus-for-20-years--uk-test-and-trace-programme

So my name, DoB, address and phone number? Don't the government/NHS/loads of other companies and organisations already store that information about me?

There been a lot of copy/paste on FB of people saying if you intend to download the app please delete me from your phone and unfriend me.

So I've now unfriended and deleted a few anti-Vaxer's. Looks like the anti-Vaxer's are also the anti-app'ers! Happy to let everyone else in society do all the work for them.

Win win.

If yoy have an iphone you have no choice about it as it is installed when you update software.

Please could someone who is of the opinion that the government already know everything about us tell me why we need the app.

There's a distinct difference between someone being able to do something and actually doing it. Someone could theoretically track someone using their phone, but it is doubtful that they are doing this constantly, because why would they, and where would the resources to do so and the justification come from? The app gives permissions. Also, I would be surprised if currently the government monitors your temperature, or has some way of knowing if you currently have a cough. Theoretically I suppose someone could listen in to your mobile mic, but it's honestly a lot easier and more feasible to ask adults to input whether they have symptoms.

Apple already knows where I am. They’ve been listening in to me with Siri without my permission for years. www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/jul/26/apple-contractors-regularly-hear-confidential-details-on-siri-recordings

If there’s any of my privacy left to be invaded I’m sure our government won’t be up to it.

Exactly. This app is open to scammers etc. I dont trust it

How exactly? What use is your location data to anyone? And the first part of your post code.

You're literally using Mumsnet as we speak, which means you have at least an email address and account here (a forum which has had several data issues).

Oh, sorry @bristolone