When the looting starts, the shooting starts.

[Annamaria14]

Can you believe that Trump has just tweeted this comment? He is talking about the protests about George Floyd's death. He has also called the protestors "thugs".

Twitter has put a warning on his twitter post, saying that it "glorifies violence". It is also racist!

The "historical context" is a reference to the late 1960s, when the phrase "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" was coined by Miami Police Chief Walter Headley, in reference to his aggressive policing policies in black neighbourhoods.

You take your victim as you find them.

So if they knelt for however fucking minutes on this person's neck, all three of them, it doesn't matter that they had conditions predisposing them to die if some utter fucking bastard kneels on their goddamned neck.

He was not threatening anybody's life nor limb. Not his. Not theirs. Not anybody else's. That's the only genuine reason to kill somebody.

[quote StamfordHill]@SimonJT

Bollocks. I'm not racist and I haven't said anything racist, and you're a jerk for throwing out vile accusations.[/quote]
The two racist things you said are there for everyone to see. Pointing out that you have been openly racist doesn’t make me a jerk, nor does it mean I’m throwing out accusations. If anyone is being vile its the person using racist terms.

I don't. What I'm saying is there is nothing racist or vile about the actual phrase. I don't know who else said it and in which context but it doesn't matter. In this context it's an apt statement.

Have you heard the phrase 'those who don't know history are condemned to repeat it? I hope so. Because that is what you are so fucking blithely doing.

[quote StamfordHill]@SimonJT

Repeating yourself doesn't make it any more true. There is nothing racist in what I said.[/quote]
How exactly is using two racist phrases not racist?

Repeating your not racist despite using racist phrases doesn’t mean you’re not racist.

@StamfordHill so what if a defence is being prepared BY FALSIFYING POST MORTEM RESULTS!!! Are you serious? Read the post mortem report, it is FULL of corruption and an attempt to defend the indefensible. Not simply defence that everyone is entitled to.

Sweetheart, I'm fucking law trained. I know how defence fucking works.

Do you think that perhaps them coppas could have cooled things down by dealing with the possible thugs in their department?

Why didn't they?

Because they thought they didn't have to. They thought they wouldn't be answerable.

I hope this absolute shithole of a pig that yet again killed a person thinking he was above the law, gets to answer to the law, not the politics, and then he goes to jail for it.

It would be such a nice change.

When someone repeatedly posts racist crap, and complete nonsense about criminal law, and basically complete bollocks... I have to say, I start to wonder what they think they're getting out of this situation?

Are they deludedly thinking they'll bring casual readers round to their point of view? Because clearly that's not going to work.

Are they just on some sort of massive psychopathic wind-up, trying to see how badly they can upset people, especially BAME people, online?

I mean, I don't get it. When you've clearly dug the hole half way to Australia, why keep going?

Solidarity to all those on this thread patiently explaining why this is so fucking wrong. (And profound sympathy to those who have lost patience - some posters on this thread would try the patience of a saint).

@StamfordHill I’ve already told you that this very scenario has happened many times before and seen officers acquitted. THAT is the reason they won’t wait for justice to be served, they are terrified it won’t be. They are rightfully outraged and heartbroken by what happens to black people at the hands of systemic racism. Whether you agree with their actions or not, you can’t condemn them for not wanting to sit and wait for another life to be taken.

I don’t get surprised by anything Trump says or tweets anymore. He is truly bonkers, mad & bad.

If anyone (other than the obvious posters) is still in any doubt as to whether the police in America are out of control, the videos in this twitter thread should leave you in no doubt:

mobile.twitter.com/chadloder/status/1266987316905562113

It's horrifying. (And - warning - very violent).

The twitter thread includes:
An unarmed woman holding a sign above her head, shot with rubber bullets by a line of police in full riot gear.
A child (about 10 or 12) deliberately pepper-sprayed in the face by police.
A teenager shot in the face with a rubber bullet while carrying her groceries home
Several arrests of journalists
One photo-journalist shot in the eye with a rubber bullet - she has lost the sight of that eye
A journalist pepper sprayed while holding out his press card saying repeatedly "I'm press"
A medic (medial uniform and helmet with red cross on clearly visible) dragged to the ground and cuffed
An onlooker (standing on the sidewalk smoking a cigarette) shot twice with rubber bullets
An elderly man with a walking stick (not protesting, simply in the area) thrown to the ground by police

This is taking place everywhere - New York, Seattle, Las Vegas, Seattle, Salt Lake City.

America is in complete melt-down, and the behaviour of police - well, it's what I'd expect from a totalitarian regime, not in a democratic country. And they have a president deliberately fanning the flames.

@StamfordHill don’t put words in my mouth, I never said I was certain the officer would be acquitted. No one can say anything for certain, but judging by previous cases and the wording of George’s autopsy report; the likelihood is high.

I don’t think looting is the right way forward either, but I do understand the anger. The black community has tried peaceful protests, they aren’t heard. They wouldn’t need to shout so loud if people listened.

I'm not sure if the preliminary autopsy report's available to read (?) as opposed to comments about it, but I thought it said that what contributed to George's death was the restraint and existing medical issues and potential substances in his bloodstream

Not sure either why it said "potential" substances, unless toxicology tests are underway and that's why the report's a preliminary one, but why does there seem to be a problem over what's been found? Surely the pathologist's job is to report on everything they find, whether that suits others' narratives or not?

@Puzzledandpissedoff

I'm not sure if the preliminary autopsy report's available to read (?) as opposed to comments about it, but I thought it said that what contributed to George's death was the restraint and existing medical issues and potential substances in his bloodstream

Not sure either why it said "potential" substances, unless toxicology tests are underway and that's why the report's a preliminary one, but why does there seem to be a problem over what's been found? Surely the pathologist's job is to report on everything they find, whether that suits others' narratives or not?

So they're going to try to claim he was a junkie?

How original

Whatever the pathologists might find, all it can ever indicate is that he died slightly faster than someone else without those factors might have done.

The legal precedent when past murderers pled in the UK, "I thought I had more leeway to hurt my victim without causing death" has always been "tough luck. You're guilty of murder."

They can rot in prison.

I genuinely don't know, DrDavidBanner - I've not got a crystal ball, and besides the "substances" might just as easily refer to prescribed medication, especially if George had cardiovascular disease

What I was thinking, though, is that a pathologist surely can't pick and choose what to include or leave out; presumably they record the lot and leave others to decide what to do about the findings?

Puzzled a few years ago a close relative died suddenly and there was some uncertainty around her death intially I know they had to wait for toxicology and histology reports to come back before they could establish a cause of death and I think the results took a few weeks ,they said he has some underlying health issues ,well he was 46 ,my dh is 45 and has recently been diagnosed with a few health issues, but George Floyd might not have been aware of certain health issues hyper tension ,high c cholesterol etc ,but these would just have been contributing factors, if that officer hade,nt knelt on his neck he would still be alive regardless of whether he had any health issues or used any substances.

He’s got the mind of a teenager, I’m still amazed he’s allowed by his aides to have a twitter account.

@Ozzie9523

He’s got the mind of a teenager, I’m still amazed he’s allowed by his aides to have a twitter account.

Thats offensive to teenagers 😂

Good points, PotholeParadise and x2boys. Hopefully, if the restraint was the overriding factor in George's death - even when other factors are taken into consideration - that's something which will come out

TBH I'm trying not to assume anything here, mainly because I'm no more a pathologist than I am a lawyer ...

The legal precedent when past murderers pled in the UK, "I thought I had more leeway to hurt my victim without causing death" has always been "tough luck. You're guilty of murder."

Eggshell skull rule. You take your victim as you find them.

Exactly.