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When the looting starts, the shooting starts.

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Annamaria14 · 29/05/2020 10:27

Can you believe that Trump has just tweeted this comment? He is talking about the protests about George Floyd's death. He has also called the protestors "thugs".

Twitter has put a warning on his twitter post, saying that it "glorifies violence". It is also racist!

The "historical context" is a reference to the late 1960s, when the phrase "when the looting starts, the shooting starts" was coined by Miami Police Chief Walter Headley, in reference to his aggressive policing policies in black neighbourhoods.

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Swiftsseason · 30/05/2020 12:49

I don't think trump wants a race war at all.

He was genuinely disgusted by what he saw, and took some action.
He doesn't want riots and more trouble.

The issue is, black rights I imagine has never really been an interest of his, he was apparently ignorant of his looting /shooting comment.... I imagine it's something that's never really touched his world.
In the same way that disability rights has never been an issue for him... Or sexism.

People in politics properly of course will usually be well aware of all the issues and complexities etc... But trump isn't a politician, he's a businessman whose found himself president!

One hopes... There are people in the background very quickly educating him on this! Because the whole country could go up like litmus if not.

B1rdbra1n · 30/05/2020 13:00

A businessman who found himself president
Yeah, where 'businessman' is a euphemism for 'con man with the modus operandi of a Mafia boss'

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 30/05/2020 13:04

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PicsInRed · 30/05/2020 13:04

Swiftsseason

Yes, I agree that Trump is more likely ignorant to the origins of the comment than intending to massacre protestors.

My suspicion is that he threatened to bring in the national guard (to "help" the governor) if the situation wasn't brought under control, not to control protestors but in order to force action on arresting the murderer - and hopefully defuse the situation. Shortly after Trump's threat, the officer/murderer was, indeed, arrested and charged.

But who knows with Trump. He's quite mad.

ddl1 · 30/05/2020 13:08

Trump is revolting! I don't defend looters, but they don't deserve the death penalty (I'm against the DP anyway, but even by American laws they don't), and especially not without even a trial!!! He is obviously playing to the racists and gun-nuts who form a part of his base; and he is getting more and more dangerous to democracy, the rule of law, human rights and just plain old sanity.

Swiftsseason · 30/05/2020 13:10

Smile, I don't know think he's that intelligent to be honest. And he isn't well educated.

He doesn't look into things that don't interest him or involve him.

America is going up. Every time someone sees that footage... It will spark them off. It sparks me off and I'm in the UK.
It's so repulsive.
But a small part of me is hopeful, that maybe, just maybe more action maybe taken this time?

What... How... I don't know... But I feel this will be to big to put back in a box and it may force trump to issue some real change... How or what I don't know!

This is won't go away....

Swiftsseason · 30/05/2020 13:12

B1.

Could be business man, bin man, con man... Farmer... The point is, he is anything but a politician...

B1rdbra1n · 30/05/2020 13:18

Swift
but putting him in the category 'businessman' still leaves open the possibility that he could be a decent honourable person just not sufficiently well-versed in politics to be good as a leader of a country.

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 30/05/2020 13:19

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ProfessorSlocombe · 30/05/2020 13:42

I watched some of the protests this morning. The Police do not seem to be riot trained. I guess as they rely on using guns.

Many years ago, the Met had a facility on Hounslow Heath where they trained UK police in riot control (amongst other specialist skills). In those days the UK was quite respected and it attracted interest from several police forces around the world. Including the US. Until they realised that the training was to control riots without guns. At which point they lost interest. I think it was a Chicago police chief who commented that you stop riots with live rounds.

(I still have a baton round from my time there - and don't ever think that "rubber bullets" are in someway bouncy. I've used it as a makeshift hammer a few times.)

TurquoiseDress · 30/05/2020 14:01

Trump is a complete idiot and not surprised that he would tweet this.

During this pandemic he has come out with such shite at times, he's confirmed all my prior suspicions that he's a complete moron

Swiftsseason · 30/05/2020 14:10

B1 really??

Not sure what your experience of business men are but I'd say they run a rainbow gauntlet from honourable and decent like any one else to whatever else?
The man brought and sold buildings and made deals. Whether they failed, weren't fraudulent, were legal.

He's only got those skills. I don't have high expectations of anything he does.
And I'm pleasantly surprised by the good stuff.

dreamingbohemian · 30/05/2020 14:44

Swiftseason, I can only assume that being in the UK you don't follow US politics closely, because it's absurd to say that Trump says and does all these racist and sexist things out of ignorance, because he's a businessman.

He is consistently, horribly racist and sexist. These are not gaffes or honest mistakes.

And if he really is too dumb or ignorant not to be racist, then he has no business being president.

dreamingbohemian · 30/05/2020 14:49

I don't think Trump would mind a race war. I don't know why people say there would be no winners, if the government throws the full weight of the police and armed forces against the people, they will crush them. Trump can declare martial law and cancel the elections. Not saying this will happen, it's a pretty extreme scenario, but there's no reason to think Trump wants to actually avoid a race war.

If Trump is out of office, he's going to jail. He will do everything to stay in power.

Thesamethingkeepshappening · 30/05/2020 15:59

Well if you don't steal, loot or use fake money to buy things you won't get shot.

My brother, who was killed by the police, did none of those things Hmm

Educate yourself. You make my feel physically sick.

Swiftsseason · 30/05/2020 16:15

Well, of course he has absolutely no business being president!

That's the whole point!
I can't explain further.
People look at trump and want to give him qualities I can see he doesn't have, so I don't expect them of him.

He's not actually a much politically motivated person... The election campaign was his first foray into politics in any meaningful way.

Maybe someone else who had accidently fallen into potus may have better values... But we know trumps background.

It's like continuing to be outraged because nettles keep stinging you. They are nettles.

You also cannot make a silk purse out of a sows ear.
He doesn't have a complicated stragety to kill black people.

This isn't trumps fault.

What happens next IS.

DGRossetti · 30/05/2020 16:49

Fascinating to see the Amish turn up ... be curious to know how they found out ? Clearly this is a Growing Thing.

When the looting starts, the shooting starts.
DGRossetti · 30/05/2020 16:51

Just been corrected Mennonite, not Amish apparently.

Everyday is a learning day it seems.

dreamingbohemian · 30/05/2020 17:09

I'm so sorry for your loss thesamething Flowers

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 30/05/2020 17:30

use fake money to buy things you won't get shot

Really

You think people should be shot if they buy things with fake notes

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 30/05/2020 17:31

Actually thats not fair

Im sure you don’t think that’s right

Just potentially the price you pay

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 30/05/2020 17:31

That’s awful thesamething

So sorry 💐

ddl1 · 30/05/2020 17:59

'Well if you don't steal, loot or use fake money to buy things you won't get shot.'

So these things deserve the death penalty???? Or only if you're black?

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 30/05/2020 18:04

Its weird isnt it ddl1

Its not even if its...You’ll get shot if you forge money and buy goods with it

Its....You’ll get shot if you try and spend it even if you had no idea it was a forgery

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