To hope this racist woman loses her job

[TildaKauskumholm]

twitter.com/melodyMcooper/status/1264965252866641920?s=19. Was appalled to see this video on Twitter - a guy in Central park, NYC, who was birdwatching, politely asked a woman to put her dog on the lead as per the regulation in that part of the park. He started filming it as she got abusive and called the cops, to say that she (white) and her dog were being threatened by an African-American man and could they send the police (as we know this can often result in a shooting).All the while she was holding her dog up by dangling it from its collar, half strangling it. The man left and his sister put the video on Twitter, resulting in the racist dog strangler being identified very quickly... she has a high powered job with an insurance company. The animal shelter took back the dog, and her company says she is on 'administrative leave' hopefully meaning she will get fired. I was really shocked and dismayed that such open racism is still going on, even though she was being filmed! Surely she must lose her job at least, what company would want to be linked to something like this?

What a nasty, horrible woman. She was in the wrong to keep her dog unleashed, when there's a sign that clearly says all dogs should be leashed. And she knows all too well what the consequences are for the guy filming, when the police knows he's African American. There's literally no justification for her actions, in a country where black people ate killed by police just for being black. Bitch.

@stripesgalore So being a proven racist shouldn't get you sacked? It's not as if she was caught picking her nose.

@hibbledobble

, luring someone’s pet away with treats is threatening, because if you have their pet they can’t leave

She was breaking the sign posted rules by not having the dog on a leash in that area.

None of this including luring with treats would h e happened if she had followed the rules.

If she is found to have made a false report of a threat and broken the law, it could have an impact on her job

She was making a false report, may have broken a law wrt to letting a dog loose in a protected wildlife area (could be just a local regulation) and if she were one of my senior staff I'd want to know if she was an entitled racist bully. I wouldn't want her supervising or selecting or having any influence on my staff or my clients.

DeRigueurMortis
...although many (and I'd hope most) white women wouldn't weaponise a black man's race in the way this woman did, the uncomfortable truth is that if we chose to we could.

And that is my worry about the UK government's Prevent Strategy. It weaponises any non-Muslim to make an accusation against a Muslim, no matter how unfounded or misguided, and that Muslim person's life is destroyed - home raided, taken into custody, children subject to social service intervention, etc. Doesn't matter if it all turns out to be false, the harm is done. It is so frighteningly easy.

I think certain posters would do well to appreciate that the 'Karen' label is used quite differently by the black community (particularly black women) and white men.

@Stripesgalore I think are trying to get her sacked because she's a racist cow; she got told off for doing something she shouldn't have done, and decided to take her own revenge.

She wasn’t scared of him. She marched right up to him and I thought she was going to knock the phone out of his hand. I’m sure she would have been totally capable.

I’d totally film if I was a black man living in US.

She is a disgrace. And I’m surprised tbh at the ‘bit but but’ on here.

@Honeybee85, no, just curious how a genuinely nice, friendly woman who was all set to be a great and doting grandma, even letting you, live in her home rent free (and sounds like you will be gifted the house), turned into a raging racist who hates babies.

Not all babies, just little brown ones

. It’s not a good principle for employers to be able to sack people for non criminal activity outside of work.

Actually it's a fairly well known principle that is covered in most employment contracts (including my own).

It's called not brining the company into disrepute and in most cases covers all social media.

Behaving as this woman did has brought her company into disrepute.

She holds a senior position and has fundamentally demonstrated racist behaviour which will be contradictory to the values any decent company upholds and how they deal with reflects their commitment to those values and the rights of BAME employees both managed by her and in the wider company.

‘@stripesgalore So being a proven racist shouldn't get you sacked? It's not as if she was caught picking her nose.’

No. Someone being a racist in your spare time isn’t a justification for sacking someone. There are loads of people who hold vile, objectionable opinions and behave in vile, objectionable ways. It isn’t a basis for employment law.

People increasingly want companies to have the power of governments.

If I was a black man in the US, leaving the house would be: keys, wallet, phone, body cam.

Mind you for many in the US it’s probably all the above plus gun.

It’s not a good principle for employers to be able to sack people for non criminal activity outside of work.

1. Making a false police report is illegal
2. If her actions prove that she isn’t fit to have the job she does, why shouldn’t she be fired?

Not all babies, just little brown ones

I rarely laugh out loud on MN - chapeau @AKissAndASmile

i don't know the story and am in no way defending any racist behaviour whatsoever but i have just finished listening to Jon Ronson's abridgement of so you have been publicly shamed? and this made me think of it, it was very interesting i do recommend!

Morris, absolutely putting something on social media is different. People usually have work colleagues on social media and so it still relates to work. That isn’t what happened in this case.

There are loads of people who hold vile, objectionable opinions and behave in vile, objectionable ways. It isn’t a basis for employment law

It is actually included in most employment contracts that if your actions outside of work bring the company into disrepute, you can be fired.

Your post was like a man complaining about his stinking headache in a room of women in labour, and got the same reception

^Good analogy
This middle aged white woman agrees^

As does this one and hope no one will mind me 'borrowing' the analogy next time I'm confronted with me-railing and whataboutery on here.

Someone being a racist in your spare time isn’t a justification for sacking someone.

Well it should be and now that the use of recording / smart phone tech is easily available hopefully we'll be able to kick out a lot more of these racists from all areas including teaching, healthcare, insurance. It is absolutely bizarre that you think that as long as someone only dons their KKK hood on weekends they should be left alone and not pilloried and booted out of their jobs in which they most definitely will come across a black or ethnic minority. What sort of absurdist view is that? Totally bizarre. 'Oh, I'm only racist on the weekends, not during 9-5 on Monday to Friday.'.

Air these racists out is my view. Destroy their entire lives. You can't be a member of the KKK on weekends yet go and teach black kids on Monday holding the view that they are more incapable/unintelligent by virtue of being black. gtfoh.

SimonJT
African American is used because most African Americans are descended from slaves, this means many do not know their ancestors country of origin. White people don’t have the same distinction as they were not slaves, so white people do know where their ancestors are from.

I disagree. Unless they're interested in genealogy most white Americans don't know where in Europe their ancestors might have hailed from. African Americans interested in genealogy can trace their ancestry to regions of Africa if they want to. I do think though that the equivalent of African American should be European American, rather than 'American' being a kind of default for white.

No. Someone being a racist in your spare time isn’t a justification for sacking someone. There are loads of people who hold vile, objectionable opinions and behave in vile, objectionable ways. It isn’t a basis for employment law

Bringing the company into disrepute is absolutely a reason for dismissal, especially a client facing business.

As DeRigueurMortis most decent companies have ethical codes in this area, some of them (not enough) take it seriously. This would absolutely be followed up in my organisation.

@Stripesgalore Of course it is relevant to someones job, do you want a nazi sympathiser teaching Jewish, black, disabled or gay children? Someone who genuinely thinks they aren’t actually human beings and should be killed.

It's so terrifying people hold these views. Just the other day 2 french doctors were openly and happily discussing testing out a potential Covid vaccine on Africans. I don't understand why black people are so lowly thought of by everyone. What is it about blackness that just makes everyone hate us? I don't get it. Leave us alone and stop defending those who abuse us.

@Stripesgalore There is no such thing as being a racist in your spare time. You either are or you are not. If you are, that is something [supposedly] not tolerated in sny workplace.

I'm not sure if people realise that the underlying message of a lot of their comments is basically: racism isn't THAT bad

Being a racist shouldn't get you fired
You shouldn't be posted on social media
You shouldn't have your identity revealed
You shouldn't be arrested for racially intimidating or threatening someone
It was just a mistake, anyway she was provoked

I can only think people don't actually understand the terrible impact of racism on people's lives, the history of racist violence and its lingering impact. It's easier to feel sorry for some racist woman having her life ruined if you don't really understand the horror of what she did and what she represents.

The question is why, in 2020, people are still so ignorant about racism. There's no excuse.