More bashing of mumsnet

[Ikeasucks]

Why are orgs and businesses just capitulating to this bullying? mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1265201870437519360

There was a thread the other day where people were saying (incorrectly and with absolutely no basis beyond their own bigotry) that a woman who had committed a murder must be a trans woman because a "real woman" couldn't commit such a violent crime. If you can't see how disgustingly transphobic that is, then you have a problem. And that's just one example.

Women speaking about women's rights = Transphobia.

Fucks sake. Mumsnet under attack, again.

If pro women = anti trans then what does pro trans =

It's a site with millions of visitors. No women I know here and on FWR ever speak about 'real' women.

They speak about women. One dickish comment is enough to label MN as transphobic?

Erm That's not what the thread said.

zscaler
It’s not bashing mumsnet to point out that the site has a serious transphobia problem

It has nothing of the sort. It has a problem with transactivists telling women that their right to safety from predatory men is not as important as the feelings of transwomen.

MRAs have been attacking MN and its advertisers for years. I've been round long enough to remember when F4J tried to shut the site down. They searched through posts to find anything 'anti dad'.

This is just the latest iteration of misogyny aimed at a site to talk about their concerns. These people do not approve.

Women will not submit to the dogma and they hate it.

I mean, I'm pretty sure that the advertisers that have quit MN over this don't advertise on Kiwi Farms either.

It's not really about the advertisers. The advertising is being used as a tool to try to silence women, but that's just a tactic.

It's the actual posts. If a man posted a message on a chat forum saying that his wife had decided she wants to identify as a man and that she wants him to acknowledge that he is now in a homosexual relationship, do you think posters would come along and tell him that he must be kind and let her be her true self? That he should 'explore' with her, and take her shopping for men's underwear, and teach her how to shave properly? I doubt it. Yet that's what happens to women.

There are a number of anti trans and negative trans threads created on here every day. You might not personally view calling trans women “men in dresses” as transphobic or offensive and defend it as a fact, but other people are entitled to view that negatively and want to dissociate from it.

I personally, am very critical of self ID and the safety issues it poses women and children, however, I don’t have anything against trans people as whole and don’t believe it’s a mental illness or a fetish as some posters claim. If I ever post anything slightly positive or in defence of trans people I’m harassed off the thread and called a TRA and anti-women, when I’m most definitely not, so I stay away. It’s impossible to have a sensible debate or discussion if you don’t follow the narrative on here that’s it’s women vs trans people and you can’t possibly care about both.

Who can we contact to object to this?

Sorry, not RTFT.

What are MRAs?

There are a number of anti trans and negative trans threads created on here every day.

And yet no one is every willing these so called anti trans threads with examples @Elsiebear90

I personally, am very critical of self ID and the safety issues it poses women and children

That is seen as transphobic so you are a trsnsphobe too

I personally, am very critical of self ID and the safety issues it poses women and children

Bigot.

Women speaking about women's rights = Transphobia.

Fucks sake. Mumsnet under attack, again.

Yes this.

This is what trans activists posted on the Twitter thread by GMB Union. Apparently using dehumanising language to describe women is just fine by them.

@SharonasCorona peach gave an example which you’ve conveniently ignored, there was a thread created yesterday purely to bash and express disgust that it has been reported that France elected its first trans mayor. If that thread was about a gay mayor or a Muslim mayor there’d be an uproar.

Embarrassing decision. It's not like they were going to host it on the "feminism" thread...

The GMB should be ashamed of themselves.

When the pandemic disproportionately affects women because of their occupations, poverty level, caring responsibilities etc, it's appalling that this union would abandon a site for women by women. All to pacify bullying idiots on Twitter.

I have never used the phrase "men in dresses", and to assume that refers to a trans person is pretty transphobic. Most people here believe, and often say, that men can wear what they like.

there was a thread created yesterday purely to bash and express disgust that it has been reported that France elected its first trans mayor.

Was it deleted?

@popehilarious what assumption? It’s frequently used on here to describe trans women and is defending as “the truth”. There’s no assuming about it.

@Ikeasucks Are women allowed to say they want female only sports and spaces? Are they allowed to talk about the influence Stonewall and other LGBT charities have on their children’s schools - their influence on services like the police, NHS and on businesses? Is it transphobic to think women are female? It needs to go both ways though Ikea. A while back when there was a topic about unisex toilets I said I worked in an old building, there was a women's toilet in the building, the men's toilet was outside across a yard. When I started work I was asked if I would object to men continuing to use the women's loo, previously there hadn't been a woman working in the building. A woman who visited occasionally for 5 or 10 minutes objected to me saying it was fine with me. I got alot of abuse on here. So maybe everyone should respect other people's views.

*defended

There was a thread the other day where people were saying (incorrectly and with absolutely no basis beyond their own bigotry) that a woman who had committed a murder must be a trans woman because a "real woman" couldn't commit such a violent crime. If you can't see how disgustingly transphobic that is, then you have a problem. And that's just one example.

That thread, if it's the one I think it was was mostly discussing how it's impossible to believe any kind of media reporting of women's crime because of the misinformation that gets put out.

This is what happens when crimes committed by men are constantly reported as committed by women. People are distrustful and no longer believe journalists or statistics. If you don't think that is a feminist issue then I don't know what to tell you.

@zscaler women centric does not mean transphobic