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If you were annoyed at Dominic Cummings before

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NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 26/05/2020 07:41

How has his performance in the rose garden affected your opinion?

YANBU it's made things worse
YABU its cleared things up for me

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Walkaround · 28/05/2020 17:12

I think the exceptional circumstance was that he is Dominic Cummings.

SabrinaThwaite · 28/05/2020 17:12

@Clavinova

You quoted:

Durham Police...include word "might" in a confusingly worded sentence.

Funnily enough, that was the last part of the Tweet that I quoted (I hadn't included it). I'm surprised you didn't realise that?

You probably think it's not the same Tweet as DAG deleted the original one and reworded it with more reasoning. Which doesn't include your quoted section any more either.

itsgettingweird · 28/05/2020 17:13

If people are saying Cummings is fine because police only said may have been a breech.

How come they are arguing his travel for childcare under exceptional circumstances was necessary when he himself said he didn't need it and it was only because they may do.

You can't win two different arguments with identical points!

Davespecifico · 28/05/2020 17:23

The thing that winds me up so much is Mary Wakefield’s article on their time at home together ill.
I read it before the Durham business came to light and took it at face value as I had no reason to think otherwise. I remember thinking how detailed it was and vaguely wondering why, right at this point in time, she wanted to tell us so much about them.
Thinking about it now, I wonder why she wrote it.
I have various questions now. Why didn’t she mention Durham? When they stumbled out into London, where were they stumbling from? In their haste to pack to get to Durham, why did they remember to pack the doctor’s outfit that the little boy wore to nurse them? How were they making models from packaging and an enormous amount of glue? Did they pack that for Durham too? If they didn’t pack it, how was there enough packaging and glue in the Durham cottage in time for them to get on with their craft tasks? If the doctors outfit, packaging and glue business happened in London, was it while they were ill before they left for Durham, or when they returned?
Can’t link to the article anymore, but I expect it’s available.

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 17:29

The Wakefield article’s been reported to Ipso.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/28/quarantine-article-by-dominic-cummings-wife-reported-to-regulator

mbosnz · 28/05/2020 17:39

If I was annoyed at DC and his puppet BJ before, I'm beyond fucked off now.

I have no respect or trust for anything they say, nor any guidelines/rules blah, blah, blah now.

Stupid, arrogant, bastards.

Leicester5 · 28/05/2020 17:46

Just watching today's briefing - so BoJo says we can't travel freely across the country

Clavinova · 28/05/2020 17:52

Funnily enough, that was the last part of the Tweet that I quoted (I hadn't included it). I'm surprised you didn't realise that?

No, I didn't and I'm not sure that it is.

You probably think it's not the same Tweet as DAG deleted the original one and reworded it with more reasoning.Which doesn't include your quoted section any more either.

I can still see the bit I quoted. It really doesn't matter - the point I was making is clear; the police statement is badly worded.

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 17:54

the point I was making is clear; the police statement is badly worded

So now it’s Durham police’s fault. You Tories do love your blame game.

Clavinova · 28/05/2020 18:14

So now it’s Durham police’s fault.

Apparently -
"Cummings, who really has not had much luck recently, had a delayed stroke of luck when Durham Police chose to put "might" in one part of their statement instead of another."

Don't forget that Durham Police also mislead everyone into thinking that they had contacted Mr Cummings Senior after a tip off - but he contacted them for security advice;

"Police were unaware that Cummings had travelled to his parents’ farm in Durham from his London home until his father informed them."

"On 31 March, Robert Cummings contacted someone he knew had details of a senior officer in the Durham force.That senior officer arranged for special branch to contact Cummings’s father."

"Months earlier he had advice on security for his son from Durham police, but had mislaid the contact details."

www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/25/durham-police-chief-calls-for-investigation-into-dominic-cummings

LexMitior · 28/05/2020 18:18

The police are not interpreters of the law. That’s why they said might. Sounds like there was enough evidence to prosecute but this would not be their decision.

Today made it worse, not better for the PM.

FliesandPies · 28/05/2020 18:30

The Wakefield article’s been reported to Ipso

Oh I wondered about that - wasn't sure if there was anyone to report it to of if it just comes under 'artistic licence'. Anyway, they were very careful not to state they were in London the whole time, just implied it.

Clavinova · 28/05/2020 18:31

From their statement -

"On 27 March 2020, Dominic Cummings drove to Durham to self-isolate in a property owned by his father."

"Durham Constabulary does not consider that by locating himself at his father’s premises, Mr Cummings committed an offence contrary to regulation 6 of the Health Protection (Coronavirus, Restrictions) (England) Regulations 2020. (We are concerned here with breaches of the Regulations, not the general Government guidance to “stay at home”.)" ...

"Durham Constabulary have examined the circumstances surrounding the journey to Barnard Castle (including ANPR, witness evidence and a review of Mr Cummings’ press conference on 25 May 2020) and have concluded that there might have been a minor breach of the Regulations that would have warranted police intervention. Durham Constabulary view this as minor because there was no apparent breach of social distancing."

"Had a Durham Constabulary police officer stopped Mr Cummings driving to or from Barnard Castle, the officer would have spoken to him, and, having established the facts, likely advised Mr Cummings to return to the address in Durham, providing advice on the dangers of travelling during the pandemic crisis. Had this advice been accepted by Mr Cummings, no enforcement action would have been taken."

"In line with Durham Constabulary’s general approach throughout the pandemic, there is no intention to take retrospective action in respect of the Barnard Castle incident since this would amount to treating Mr Cummings differently from other members of the public. Durham Constabulary has not taken retrospective action against any other person."

"Finally, commentary in the media has suggested that Mr Cummings was in Durham on 19 April 2020. Mr Cummings denies this and Durham Constabulary have seen insufficient evidence to support this allegation."

www.durham.police.uk/news-and-events/Pages/News%20Articles/Durham-Constabulary-press-statement--.aspx

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 18:32

Today made it worse, not better for the PM.

I expect his pallor will pale and his eyes will tire

CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 18:34

Today made it worse, not better for the PM.

Yawn. Everything does apparently, according to the moaners.

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 18:36

To him too. He looks like he’s feeling it.

Aren’t the polls down

CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 18:39

I’m sure it’ll really hurt him in next week’s general election... Wink

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 18:41

Ha we’ll see. He may be in a crumpled heap by then.

Leicester5 · 28/05/2020 18:45

@CendrillonSings are you forgetting the number of deaths and the sheer lengths people have gone to in order to minimise their impact?

Of course people want to know they can trust the government. It just seems like you're here to gloat.

What sacrifices have you made for lockdown?

CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 18:45

And he may not. Remember when the prorogation was reversed, he expelled 20 of his own MPs, was in deep minority, and had an apparently impossible extension deadline coming up?

He was “finished” then too, according to conventional wisdom. How did the predictions of conventional wisdom do, I wonder?

CendrillonSings · 28/05/2020 18:47

What sacrifices have you made for lockdown?

My family and I have observed it religiously, and indeed followed stricter rules than the government guidelines. What’s your point?

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 18:47

If he survives and comes up bounding fair play to him. I don’t actually want him to be rubbish. And he looks like the public feel.

But Starmer is formidable and better at him at PMQ. I welcome better, credible opposition.

SabrinaThwaite · 28/05/2020 19:05

No, I didn't and I'm not sure that it is

Yes it is - it was something like No 8 in the original Tweet thread.

I can still see the bit I quoted. It really doesn't matter - the point I was making is clear; the police statement is badly worded

No you can’t, because it’s worded differently now. Your quote was from the original Tweet thread.

SabrinaThwaite · 28/05/2020 19:16

Or Clavinova did you just not read the original Tweet thread and just C&P from somewhere?

Smilethoyourheartisbreaking · 28/05/2020 19:19

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