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NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 2020-05-26T06:41:35+00:00

How has his performance in the rose garden affected your opinion? YANBU it's made things worse YABU its cleared things up for me

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 16:02

Get what does breach mean wrt rules?

Galdos · 28/05/2020 16:03

Whether what he did was allowed by the regulations or not is pretty irrelevant (I think it was probably allowed, although the trip to Barnard Castle is beyond bizarre). The fact is the government's urging was that we should STAY HOME in those circumstances, and he is widely (without contradiction that I have seen) at least partly the author of that message. Apart from the seemingly arrogant contempt for we, the voters, the true message seems to be (a) Boris has no idea what to do, under any circumstances; and (b) Boris needs Cummings to fill his otherwise empty Ladybird book of Big Ideas. Boris's latest seems to be a repeated commitment to the pension triple-lock, despite the fact the economic outlook is now the worst in nearly a century (and I think the commitment daft altho I am nearly-there-as-beneficiary). What next? A garden bridge?

ITonyah · 28/05/2020 16:03

Yes, a "minor breach".

I took my dog out two or three times a day during lockdown so don't really think I'm in a position to judge DC for driving somewhere in his car and socially distancing the whole time 🤷‍♀️

GetOffYourHighHorse · 28/05/2020 16:03

'Imagine the reason it’s no longer the BBC top story is embarrassment about their treatment of Emily Maitlis.'

Yes true, it was embarrassing. They really need to train their presenters how to be impartial. Maybe she'll do better next time.

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 16:04

breach
/briːtʃ/
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noun

an act of breaking or failing to observe a law, agreement, or code of conduct.

Explain the difference?

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 16:05

Boris's latest seems to be a repeated commitment to the pension triple-lock

Seriously?. I benefit from that and even I think it’s bonkers. When did he say that?

FliesandPies · 28/05/2020 16:05

They socially distanced, they self isolated. They did not break the rules

They broke the rules by driving 30 miles to Barnard Castle, in contravention of the lockdown rules at that time.

Not that ever should have been in the area in the first place, that's much more of an issue to me.

sleepingpup · 28/05/2020 16:06

rather his Barnard castle trio was a minor breach. I can tell the difference, why can't you?

Don't want chief architect of the rules breaking any of them cheers. And then lying about it.
And then the parade of government lying.

Many many people get that - why not you?

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 16:06

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'Imagine the reason it’s no longer the BBC top story is embarrassment about their treatment of Emily Maitlis.'

Yes true, it was embarrassing. They really need to train their presenters how to be impartial. Maybe she'll do better next time.

Try reading what’s written. Comprehension skills 1/10.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 28/05/2020 16:08

@ITonyah

I don't want gullibles like you policing threads

Bad luck.

Exactly, I can't keep you and your ramblings off of here so you can't decide whether this is a topic that should be discussed.

FliesandPies · 28/05/2020 16:08

I took my dog out two or three times a day during lockdown so don't really think I'm in a position to judge DC for driving somewhere in his car and socially distancing the whole time

Well that's super for you, don't you judge him then. Meanwhile hundreds of thousands of others who followed lockdown to the letter and the spirit of the rules most certainly are in a position to judge and that's what they're doing.

SabrinaThwaite · 28/05/2020 16:08

@Clavinova

The "might" in the statement means that the police would have "considered" that there was a breach for the exercise the 8(3)(a) power.

The other well known lawyer on twitter, David Allen Green (Financial Times) - "Durham Police...include word "might" in a confusingly worded sentence."

Come on Clavinova, at least quote ALL of what DAG posted:

Power of police to direct a person home is under regulation 8(3)(a): www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2020/350/regulation/8/made

To exercise power, police must be consider there was a breach of 6(1) - there was no reasonable excuse.

If the Durham police statement means that an officer would have exercised the 8(3)(a) power to direct Cummings home then it would mean the officer would have considered Cummings to have been committing an offence.

In my view, that would mean that, had Cummings refused to follow the advice, then such a direction would have been given.

The "might" in the statement means that the police would have "considered" that there was a breach for the exercise the 8(3)(a) power.

It would not be for the police officer to determine criminal liability: that is a matter for the court.

sleepingpup · 28/05/2020 16:09

took my dog out two or three times a day during lockdown so don't really think I'm in a position to judge DC for driving somewhere in his car and socially distancing the whole time 🤷‍♀️

Well I pay taxes and vote and I'm an adult so I am.

You crack on @ITonyah

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 28/05/2020 16:11

@FliesandPies

They socially distanced, they self isolated. They did not break the rules

They broke the rules by driving 30 miles to Barnard Castle, in contravention of the lockdown rules at that time.

Not that ever should have been in the area in the first place, that's much more of an issue to me.

Agree with you, but actually the biggest issue is the hoodwinking and lies to cover it up by the prime minister and cabinet. Black is white, the guidance wasn't really the guidance etc etc. This has gone way beyond what Cummings and his wife did.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 28/05/2020 16:12

'They didn't stay at home. They travelled to a second home. Their situation wasn't extraordinary.'

To be near family should they need childcare as they were ill. Exceptional circumstances whether people like it or not. He didn't do what Calderwood did and just go for a jolly, or have a cup of tea with his parents like kinnock.

alsohuman I know I did understand I was just putting a more accurate spin on your comment.

Clavinova · 28/05/2020 16:12

'I bet half the posters on here are the ones who have been reporting neighbours and busybodying around parks ringing the police about sunbathers.'

I've just clicked on a link in the Guardian to a Tory MP's twitter account - one of his constituents who has complained about Dominic Cummings is an amateur photographer - who has obviously been all over the place taking photographs during lockdown - you have to laugh.

MarshaBradyo · 28/05/2020 16:12

I don’t really care about dogs etc

It’s more the PM backing Cummings, and the MPs unable to answer a question.

DressingGownofDoom · 28/05/2020 16:13

'Neither Cummings nor his wife breached social distancing during their 'minor breach' so the risk was minimal.'

They weren't caught breaching social distancing.

Anyway it doesn't matter. This is about our lying, gaslighting PM and the control an unelected aide has over him and, subsequently, us.

sleepingpup · 28/05/2020 16:16

To be near family should they need childcare as they were ill.

I00,000 s would disagree😂😂😂😂 and do.

SO NOT exceptional.

"Chief Pandemic Strategist panics at first sign of Covid and doesn't attempt or plan local childcare.! "

Give us all a break.

TheWordWomanIsTaken · 28/05/2020 16:18

@GetOffYourHighHorse

'They didn't stay at home. They travelled to a second home. Their situation wasn't extraordinary.'

To be near family should they need childcare as they were ill. Exceptional circumstances whether people like it or not. He didn't do what Calderwood did and just go for a jolly, or have a cup of tea with his parents like kinnock.

alsohuman I know I did understand I was just putting a more accurate spin on your comment.

They weren't ill though were they? She was vomiting, he went home, she felt better, he returned to work. When he went returned home that evening, they made a decision to travel to Durham. It was the next day he claims he felt ill. These are his Rose Garden words. Carefully read from a script. At the time they travelled, he was not ill. Their childcare needs were no greater than any other parents' needs.

Walkaround · 28/05/2020 16:18

Question: knowing what a vindictive, ruthless and powerful bastard Dominic Cummings is, and given his predilection for pulling apart anything that gets in his way (eg the Civil Service - why not the police, next?), would any police force in England dare to suggest that his original trip to Durham, when he was patently not only well enough to look after his own child, but also to drive for hours without a break when he should have been isolating indoors, was breaking the rules he helped to draft? They’re not that reckless. Doesn’t mean DC isn’t a selfish arsehole who broke his own rules with apparent impunity.

Alsohuman · 28/05/2020 16:18

I was just putting a more accurate spin on your comment

Well, please don’t “spin” my comments, make your own. In any case, Maitlis isn’t a presenter, she’s a journalist.

itsgettingweird · 28/05/2020 16:20

I'm really not getting why his was an exceptional circumstance.

Everybody was at risk of CV.
Everyone with kids may have needed childcare dependent on seriousness.

Everybody was in the midst of the same pandemic.

Everybody was told not to travel to second homes and to just stay at home.

GetOffYourHighHorse · 28/05/2020 16:20

Really? Maitliss comes across like Susannah Reid, just a glossy presenter and a crap one at that.

FliesandPies · 28/05/2020 16:22

To be near family should they need childcare as they were ill. Exceptional circumstances whether people like it or not

Nope. Exceptional circumstances (brought in to protect people and children from abusive homes) are for when you have an immediate need for childcare. Not 'should they need childcare'.

Whether you like it or not, Cummings broke the letter and spirit of those rules.

@TheWordWomanIsTaken yes you're quite right, it's the lying and contempt that is so sickening