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Trump 101: How not to President (TrumpThread #101)

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 25/05/2020 20:13

Two images. Same day.
161 days to November 3rd.

Thanks to BruceAnd Nosh for thread title.

Previous thread:
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/3877401-Trump-100-Thread-and-Were-Way-Down-the-Rabbit-Hole?pg=1

Trump 101: How not to President (TrumpThread #101)
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TheNorthWestPawsage · 12/06/2020 20:48

Fiona Hill - memorable (British born) Putin expert who testified at Bunker Baby's Impeachment hearings.

www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/12/fiona-hill-trump-putin-populism-interview?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

.... She was recruited into the Trump administration by KT McFarland, a Fox News talkshow host who had been made deputy national security adviser. McFarland had had Hill on her show several times to talk about Russia and Putin (Hill is the co-author of a well-regarded portrait of the Russian president, Mr Putin: Operative in the Kremlin.)

Now she was inside the White House, McFarland wanted Hill at her side giving Trump briefings on Russia, as she had done for George W Bush and Barack Obama.

“I think honestly, they got this idea initially that I could sit down with the president and do a bit of a spiel on Putin but it just never worked out like that,” she said. “He just wanted to get on with it himself.”

Hill’s first Oval Office encounter with Trump was inauspicious. It was on 3 April 2017. She was on her first day of orientation, but there had been a terror attack on the St Petersburg metro and she was called in to brief the president.

She remembers only having her running shoes on, having left home in a rush, leaving her work shoes behind, and trying to hide her feet under her chair. She need not have worried.

“Trump didn’t look up when I came in and I don’t think he looked up the whole time I was giving my spiel about the terrorist attack,” Hill said. The president was busy writing something on a pad on his desk. “And then Ivanka came in and sat down next to me, the first thing she did was look at my shoes.”

..... For the record, she is dismissive of the Manchurian Candidate theory that Trump was somehow controlled by Putin through the use of kompromat. She knew Christopher Steele, the former MI6 officer, from an earlier job in the national intelligence council. He was her counterpart, and she was taken by surprise when his dossier on Trump and Russia emerged.
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AcrossthePond55 · 12/06/2020 21:04

It's Barron I feel sorry for, not her.

Me, too. Poor lad doesn't have a chance. If he lived next door to any of us, we'd have called SS long ago.

I bet her new deal involves an NDA.

Ironclad with hefty 'penalties'. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if there's more than just an NDA. Think about it. Ivana (Mrs #1) must have more dirt on him than there is sand in the Sahara. But nary a peep or a titbit from her. I'd put my money on some sort of sex tape or perhaps there's some blackmail material somewhere.

Roussette · 12/06/2020 22:21

Ivana I bet wanted the big pay off, and it will have been big. Her silence has been bought no doubt.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 12/06/2020 22:35

Trump insiders say his campaign is falling apart because the President can't accept reality

'No one wants to get fired, so no one will tell the President why he’s losing — but maybe that’s OK because none of them understand why'
www.independent.co.uk/voices/trump-campaign-insiders-rally-juneteenth-coronavirus-biden-a9563626.html

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 12/06/2020 22:44

I hope you're all going to acknowledge his special day in an appropriate way. Wink

Trump Flotilla, ‘Trumptilla,’ to mark president’s birthday by boat
It falls on Flag Day, too, so organizers in Tampa and statewide promise a patriotic extravaganza while maintaining social distancing.
www.tampabay.com/florida-politics/2020/06/11/trump-flotilla-trumptilla-to-mark-presidents-birthday-by-boat/?outputType=amp

www.sun-sentinel.com/news/politics/fl-ne-flag-day-trump-rally-list-20200611-jj34ygbbe5bufgbeavrnrdzuva-story.html?outputType=amp

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TheNorthWestPawsage · 12/06/2020 22:49

Saturday - wonder if any cadets will take a knee?

Trump to Speak at Socially Distanced West Point Commencement
Address comes amid clashes with brass about possible military role in dispersing protests over police killings, renaming bases
www.wsj.com/articles/trump-to-speak-at-socially-distanced-west-point-commencement-11591994032

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PerkingFaintly · 12/06/2020 22:55

That's a really interesting article, TheNorthWestPawsage. Thank you for the link.

BTW, for anyone who doesn't click through but wanted to run with the paragraph about Manchurean Candidate, I should point out that Hill goes on to describe how the Russians are very successfully running rings round Trump without mentioning kompromat.

Trump just wants to sit down with the guy, whoever it is, and create personal chemistry and then everyone else works out the details,” she said. “He wanted to treat Putin the same way he treated Xi or Netanyahu. He wanted to be able to pick up the phone and talk to them.”

But Putin could not be treated like the others. The Trump campaign had dozens of contacts with Russian officials or Kremlin intermediaries, and the candidate had appealed to Moscow to interfere in the election by hacking Hillary Clinton’s emails.

Furthermore, as Hill made clear in her biography of him, Putin has taken all the skills of his long KGB career with him to the Russian presidency. And the Kremlin was constantly outmanoeuvring the White House, arranging events so that Trump would be alone with Putin with only the Russian president’s translator in the room. The state department, which stuck to rigid protocol rules on whose translator should be where and when, was being played.

“Putin doesn’t operate like that. Putin takes translators with him for every occasion,” she said. “The Russians are incredibly organized. They take advantage of every opportunity, every vulnerability, every open door they can walk through.”
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“I was saying to the people around him it’s the president’s own security here, because then they [the Russians] can say that he said things that he didn’t say. And they did that repeatedly,” she said. “They could be recording things in big meetings like the G20 where we don’t control the site. It gave Russians unnecessary leverage, and made it much more difficult for us to get ahead of things.”

B1rdbra1n · 12/06/2020 23:08

That's a really interesting article, TheNorthWestPawsage. Thank you for the link
Yes thank you:o she's fantastic and so interesting, I'm going to have a look at that Putin bio
www.amazon.co.uk/Mr-Putin-Operative-Kremlin-Geopolitics-ebook/dp/B00M04GBS4/ref=tmm_kin_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&tag=mumsnetforu03-21&qid=1591999641&sr=8-1

lionheart · 12/06/2020 23:25

Interesting to hear from Fiona Hill again.

TheNorthWestPawsage · 13/06/2020 07:58

Now being held a day later. I do think that they are scared now.

Donald Trump delays Oklahoma election rally to avoid Juneteenth slavery date
US president pushes back gathering by a day after requests from ‘many of my African American friends’ to respect significance of the day.
www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jun/13/donald-trump-oklahoma-election-rally-juneteenth-slavery-date?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

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Roussette · 13/06/2020 08:30

Interesting to hear from Fiona Hill again

Isn't it just. Huge fan of hers after seeing her professionalism at the hearings.

Good grief, changing the date of the Rally, does that mean Trump has listened to an Adviser? He usually won't be told.

Given he walks back most of the statements he makes, I wonder when push comes to shove, whether he'll stick by this...
thehill.com/homenews/administration/502564-trump-says-hell-leave-white-house-peacefully-if-biden-wins#.XuQxAG4Pnbw.twitter

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/06/2020 11:27

"Trump said he would like to see a ban on chokeholds in most instances, but suggested their use would be understandable in some situations, such as the current protests. “I don’t like chokeholds ... [but] sometimes, if you’re alone and you’re fighting someone, it’s tough,” he said in an interview with Fox News on Friday."

So when there are at least four policemen restraining a single, unarmed, handcuffed person who is lying on the ground, maybe they aren't strictly speaking necessary in the slightest.

Since when did kneeling on someone's neck become legitimate policing again anyway? Wikipedia on the subject has this to say: "Following a series of choking deaths, the Los Angeles Police Department banned chokeholds in 1980, and was soon followed by police departments nationwide. Choking suspects was widely banned by American police departments by the early 1990s, when New York City strengthened the force of an earlier ban on chokeholds." Maybe Trump is in favour of a ban which already exists but which has not been being fully enforced.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/06/2020 11:29

Has any previous American president had to say that he planned to accept the result of an election if he didn't win it? Ever?

I'm really sorry, but Trump saying that he will behave the same way as every other POTUS ever to me strongly suggests the opposite.

lionheart · 13/06/2020 11:52

Yes, Fiona Hill was one of a long line of impressive women who have held the line.

I didn't know choke-holds were still used either.

Roussette · 13/06/2020 12:01

I'm really sorry, but Trump saying that he will behave the same way as every other POTUS ever to me strongly suggests the opposite

I know. But to be fair to him (oh hell, am I sticking up for Trump here, never been known, must question myself on this one...)
Biden suggested he wouldn't leave the WH willingly so he was responding to that.
But as it's best to assume Trump is lying all the time than telling the truth all the time, I imagine he won't be leaving the WH willingly!

Lweji · 13/06/2020 12:07

When you scream electoral fraud well before the elections, it's not a good sign.

B1rdbra1n · 13/06/2020 12:16

Trump is lying all the time
I think it's safe to assume that most of what comes out of his mouth is a lie however my guess is that he doesn't see the world in terms of truth and lies, I think he sees the world in terms of what advances his personal interests and what doesn't.
Truth is irrelevant, it's all about what serves him and what doesn't serve him.

AskingQuestionsAllTheTime · 13/06/2020 12:17

He's made enough "jokes" about how great it would be if he could stay for more than two terms for me to be very suspicious anyway, to be fair.

Biden was voicing what a lot of us thought. It was certainly discussed on this board as a distinct and frightening possibility on one of the Trump threads a few months back.

AcrossthePond55 · 13/06/2020 13:46

Scrotus feels safe saying he'll leave because he seriously believes there's no way he won't win.

If not by fair means then by foul.

MockersGuidedByTheScience · 13/06/2020 15:12

The chaos at the Georgia primary is just a glimpse of what awaits.

He put Neil and Brett on the Court for a reason.

lionheart · 13/06/2020 16:15

Absolutely Mockers. That's one strand of the election strategy. It will be repeated wherever they think they can get away with it.

Even the muddle and confusion created works in their favour.

HoldMyLobster · 13/06/2020 16:22

Blimey Lweji - that's a new low even for Fox News.

MockersGuidedByTheScience · 13/06/2020 16:36

Had Al Gore kept going with his court challenge, we might still be waiting to find out who won in 2000.

Can't see Trumpy throwing in the towel 'for the good of the country.'