Page 13 | to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 3

Ulver · 26/05/2020 08:00

Dominic is sitting on the trove of Govt data that he’s harvested like it’s Gollom’s ring.
He’s likely able to bamboozle the less intelligent members of cabinet who don’t understand tech ( Boris) to gatekeep the processes of flogging it all to the highest bidder.
They were trying to sell NHS data, phone location data and camera feed before Covid.

Ulver · 26/05/2020 08:02

That is why he was desperate to carry on working to take advantage of the virus while ignoring lockdown rules.
It’s a gleaming opportunity for him and our domestic concerns are trivial dross beneath him.

Ulver · 26/05/2020 08:03

Sorry they wanted to sell our Phone camera feed, location data and nhs records to Carbyne 11 through a 999 app which they have been trialing with the Met for a while.

ChickenNuggetsChipsAndBeans · 26/05/2020 08:08

To summarise his account:
I am special
The rules dont apply to me
I will do anything and everything to hang onto power, even if it weakens my boss at a critical time.
I am special.

You certainly are Mr Cummings.

Mary1935 · 26/05/2020 08:11

Yes Gove squirming on bbc1 answering all the unclear statements from Cummings!!!
What a bunch of arrogant self centred bastards they are.
Gove was stuttering and stammering.
Cummings - no doubt a sociopath. Cannot apologise and own up.
He was doing a lot of gulping at the conference. - sure sign of a liar in my eyes.
I’d be so embarrassed if that was me. He thinks we are all idiots and he’s had 24 hours to make up more bull shit.
Boris must be desperately to keep him.
I’m sure if this hasn’t worked he will need to go.
I can’t see it going any other way.

Blursula · 26/05/2020 08:12

So many questions left unanswered. Sorry for any repeats - haven’t had time to RTFT.

Why did nobody grill him more on whether this really was an ‘exceptional circumstance’? He was well when they drove, so HE could have been the childcare for his son. The whole trip was (allegedly) based on a hypothetical concern that they both MIGHT get too ill to look after their son. Isn’t that the same concern shared by millions up and down the country - who stayed in their homes? Hardly an ‘exceptional circumstance’ or risk to life, is it?!

And for BJ to say he acted ‘responsibly’ makes it sound like every other parent who didn’t act in this way (i.e drive to find childcare in case they both got ill) acted irresponsibly.

Why did nobody grill him more on why he didn’t explore more childcare options in London (particularly his wife’s family)?

Why couldn’t his niece have come to London instead if she was the only option?

As pp said, what was that utter bullshit about ‘playing in the woods for a bit?’

If he was ‘testing his eyesight’ to go to Barnard Castle, why did he need his whole family to come with him?

So. Many. Questions.

I’m just praying some CCTV of him at a service station exists. Preferably sat eating a Burger King or something.

Ulver · 26/05/2020 08:15

Most people seem to think that he has dirt on Boris and other cabinet members?
Quite likely I think.

larrygrylls · 26/05/2020 08:16

And his child was, at the time, well.

So 4 hours with two infected people in a closed space.....What parent would ‘instinctively’ expose a young child to that much virus, especially a parent who is supposedly an expert on it?! And the child then did get sick and used an ambulance, maybe putting someone else at risk at the peak of the epidemic.

He will be gone, imminently.

Pedagoogle · 26/05/2020 08:18

DC should go. But he won’t. They are hoping that it will all blow over.

As a life long Conservative voter (despite my deep, deep hatred of the thought of Brexit, the thought of JC plus potential Brexit was worse), they’ve finally tipped me over the edge and I won’t vote for them again. I have kids in private school, income over 150k so at a probable financial cost to me personally.

I don’t expect politicians or civil servants to be perfect but I do expect truth to be told and them not to breach the regulations they write for the general public when people are not able be at their child’s birth, comfort them during a cancer treatment, hold their parent’s during their last moments or tragically, attend their funeral.

DC attending his mother’s home for her birthday instead defies belief.

The contempt for the general public is horrifying.

2020notQuiteAsPlanned · 26/05/2020 08:19

Speculating over phone data won't help.

It gives the government a change to talk about nonsense circulating.
The key points I think are

initially he was going as they might both have covid and needed support for their child if too sick to care for him No friends to drop off food? No nanny to help if both really sick Or family to come down Both allowable and more sensible that legging it 260 miles north?
now there is a suggestion, leaving London was security based too - but police could have resolved that surely?
but the security argument justified no10 saying he was at home
his wife was sick but not with covid symptoms
Barnard castle trip - who drives a 60 mile round trip to test eye sight?
surely either his wife could have driven or the govt could have sent a car if his return was vital?

Kitty2018 · 26/05/2020 08:32

Yes but surely if you were worried that you had or might get Covid 19 so badly that you would be unable to look after your child, the worst thing to do was travel to a 2nd home and potentially put the local hospitals there under pressure.
Wasn’t that exactly what we were told to do? Stay at home and don’t travel to relatives or second homes. He’s claiming a supposed exception to that rule for people with young children - well I have young children and so do many people I know and none of us were aware that was acceptable. Potentially if you did get very sick you might have to ask a relative to travel to your home to help out but decamping to a second home was never something I realised was an option. But then maybe my ‘judgment’ and ‘instincts’ are off...

LockdownLucie · 26/05/2020 08:33

Exactly @2020notQuiteAsPlanned other people are encouraged to rely on local community groups to deliver groceries. I have seen local messages from adult children asking if a community group can deliver some groceries to their parents (as they are 200 miles away etc.) But DC is totally above this.
In such a privileged position as him he expects us all to believe he couldn’t get a grocery delivery, support from nanny (surely it would be better for the child to stay in the familiar setting of the family home)?
Also I can’t believe that his wife was so ill they had no choice but to all sit in a car together for 5 hours (yet she was recovered enough to look after him in 24 hours). Then his child was so extremely ill that he had to go to hospital (yet less than 24 hours later he also miraculously recovered) just like his mum.

NoMoreReluctantCustodians · 26/05/2020 08:35

Cringing at Michael Gove on sky news😬

JudyCoolibar · 26/05/2020 08:35

He didn’t break the rules

Yes, he did, @Pinkyxx The rules stated very clearly that if you or a member of the family shows possible covid symptoms, you stay put.

they clearly allowed anyone to seek help if they needed it.

"Seek" is the operative term there. They did not allow people to go out to get help somewhere else. In particularly, they did not allow anyone to drive 260 miles when there were various closer alternatives - notably, the nieces coming to them.

He wasn’t in contact with anyone at any point, thus couldn’t have spread anything.

This is utter nonsense. He says he didn't have to refuel during the journey - that means he must have filled up just beforehand. Immediate contact with people at the garage, the potential for him to spread the virus via the petrol pump. Before he started, he had no means of knowing that he wouldn't have to stop given that he had a 4 year old and a vomiting partner in the car, so he knowingly risked the possibility of further contact in the service area. The child and his mother were in contact with various people when they went to hospital. He had to fill up again before he went jaunting off to Barnard Castle. And so on, and so on.

If it was all so reasonable, why do you imagine his wife lied about it so blatantly?

Mary1935 · 26/05/2020 08:36

Yes keep digging Dominique hopefully you will bury yourself soon!!!

GuyFawkesDay · 26/05/2020 08:37

What's as worrying is the Trumpian "media scum" "liberal media" narrative I am seeing, often pushed by bots on SM.

The media are now to blame for this, not his own actions, it seems.

We are heading down a very scary path like the USA is on if we are not very careful indeed.

Ulver · 26/05/2020 08:37

Cummings is flogging all of our NHS records and access to all of our phone data and camera feed?
I think that is worrying since he chose to give his sister company the contract for the app?
I think it’s pretty disturbing knowing what he thinks of the general public.
He is not trustworthy and he has no regard for our rights?

He created the “Stay Home” mantra and we all complied and trusted.
While he ignored it completely.

Is that not extremely disturbing?

Ulver · 26/05/2020 08:40

I don’t trust him with my data or my child’s?

He appears to have some very far right views and as someone else commented is not exactly “nuerotypical”

RubyViolet · 26/05/2020 08:41

I have woken up feeling so depressed about him and Boris and all the lying PoS in this government.
Blatantly lying to our faces.....infuriating.

JudyCoolibar · 26/05/2020 08:42

The thing I picked up on was his statement that he knew there was a possibility of a pandemic a while back!

Turns out that's yet another lie anyway. The only evidence that might conceivably support it is a social media post that he's amended subsequently.

2020notQuiteAsPlanned · 26/05/2020 08:43

Our car is at the door. Tank full.
We filled them all when prices dropped and when lock down was imminent.
(No - I didn't know it was definite but we'd all been told to work from home so highly likely!!
So we could have done the drive to Durham and Barnard Castle on one tank.
But would have had to refill on way back south.
Have also driven that far and further with sleeping children in the car - stopping only to swap drivers.
Departure time for that reason.
So - much as I think there are lots of holes in his story, I think the didn't stop on the way up could be true.

MaxNormal · 26/05/2020 08:43

There's no way that I'll be putting that app anywhere near my phone.

SmileyFaceSadFace · 26/05/2020 08:47

I usually don't get myself into a tizz over these things, I might sigh loudly and roll my eyes. This, however, has made me almost blow my top.

I am so bloody angry at DC but even more angry at BJ and this string of dreary, little men in dark suits with their monotonous tone as they regurgitate this utter nonsense about eyesight and people making their own minds up. Gove on BBC this morning was the straw that broke it for me.

The whole thing has made me want to join some sort of activist group

Clavinova · 26/05/2020 08:51

Then his child was so extremely ill that he had to go to hospital (yet less than 24 hours later he also miraculously recovered) just like his mum.

I'm sure the boy's overnight stay in hospital can be disproved quite easily.

Pilcrow · 26/05/2020 08:52

The80sweregreat

The thing I picked up on was his statement that he knew there was a possibility of a pandemic a while back!

It's been widely reported on Twitter that super-forecaster Cummings retrospectively doctored his blog to add references to coronaviruses.

When did he do this? Why, looks like it was the very day he got back to London from the family trip to Durham, according to the link below:

twitter.com/jwiechers/status/1264953956758884354?s=21

Funny, eh?