to think Dominic Cummings should go/thread 3

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Third thread!

This is not a witch hunt it's a howl of protest that there should be accountability from No. 10 and it's never been more important to act responsibly or show contrition for falling short of expected standards than when facing this pandemic.

He chose to travel to the other side of the country knowing they were symptomatic with Covid19. His family visited a hospital in the North East putting health care workers and other patients in that setting at a risk they would not otherwise have encountered and he suggested he would have put a taxi driver at risk had one been available.

That is falling short of standards, his actions are indefensible.

If Boris doesn't sack Cummings, Starmer is going to forensically take him apart over this. Boris and Cummings are the ones drawing this debacle out and expecting the public to roll over & believe a pack of lies while we have been abiding by the guidelines those clowns have set.

I think the phrase is Economical with the truth.

Here you go @MH1111 From another thread.

SabrinaThwaite Tue 26-May-20 00:07:38
Also found the archived version of the Gov.uk guidance on Stay At Home that was current on 27th March:

web.archive.org/web/20200327085113/www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-stay-at-home-guidance/stay-at-home-guidance-for-households-with-possible-coronavirus-covid-19-infection#if-you-are-living-with-children

"It says if someone in the household starts to display symptoms you can move vulnerable people such as the elderly or those with underlying conditions to friends or family (note - this did not include children in the vulnerable classification).

It doesn’t say you can take your symptomatic wife and your child 250 miles away to a second home"

Your welcome

I am a little surprised at how people seem shocked about this.

to be fair to them both, they have spent the entirety of the last few years showing us clearly that they are untrustworthy creeps.

they are both just carrying on in the exact same way that rewarded them with the keys to number 10.

I understand people had serious questions about his actions - indeed many of you have made huge sacrifices - but I do believe today he explained himself

Yes, Rishi, he did explain himself – all too well.

The reason we're judging him is that we do understand what he thought, not that we don't!

Well it had to happen. A Dominic parody Twitter account.

mobile.twitter.com/DDrivings

Did anyone see the twitter post someone posted towards at the end of the last thread about the company who has been awarded the contract for the track and trace app?

Guess what?

DC’s sister is a director of this company!

And she lives in Durham of course.

Well, that explains the trips to Durham.

I wonder why he had to go to Barnard Castle. Because a "responsible parent" does not put their 4 year old in the car to drive 30 miles to test their eyesight.

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This is not going away.

Lewis Goodall from Newsnight.

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Central problem

-if as DC said, he had no symptoms and his wife didn’t have Covid symptoms, why go to Durham in such haste?
-if neither were sure they had Covid, it wasn’t an exceptional circumstance- so no travel.

• if they suspected Mrs C had Covid-was against rules to travel.

5:52 PM · May 25, 2020·Twitter for iPhone 3K Retweets 10.6K Likes Lewis Goodall **@lewis**_goodall · 6h Replying to **@lewis**_goodall Regardless of all this, seems unarguable that Barnard Castle trip was against the rules. Lewis Goodall **@lewis**_goodall · 6h Strategy was clear: drown audience in detail, hope audience doesn’t follow and that that detail confers exceptionality. As I’ve said previously though, lack of contrition plus any real exceptionality (millions in same boat) means it may have done more harm than good. Lewis Goodall **@lewis**_goodall · 6h The crux of Mr Cummings’ case is he drove to Durham in case he got ill, something which he couldn’t be sure he was. But the thing which would have justified the drive, made it exceptional, was illness, which would have prohibited the drive. In its own terms, it doesn’t cohere.

Potholeparadise

Your statement is clearly an accusation he’s a liar.
Your wording works with other accusations:-
If he’s not a thief what is he?
If he’s not a murderer what is he?
Etc etc

Thanks for pointing out it’s a text based forum though.

MH1111

Well, do you honestly believe he got behind the wheel withhis wife and son as passengers to check if he was safe to drive?

Apparently his wife can drive. Obviously though only a man with dodgy eyesight can manage the drive to London, wouldn’t even consider asking a woman to do it.

HeIenaDove

Would that be the self-confessed Labour activist Lewis Goodall? You’d never guess from his output!

@CendrillonSings, despite your attempt to dismiss Lewis Goodall's tweets, can you actually identify anything quoted that is factually incorrect?

Sorry if evidence is inconvenient, but thankfully it’s still required by our legal system, if not our pathetic media

I've got some evidence for you: the statement that he made a 60 mile round trip to test his eyesight. Unless you'd like us to believe instead that he is staggeringly stupid and dangerous to boot.

Judycoolibar

So you believe he is lying. That is not evidence though.

The media were not hounding him when this happened.

I agree. It was early stages of very strict lockdown, when the roads were deserted. It's incredibly hard to believe that the police allowed a baying crowd to gather outside his house as reported, let alone that they were permitted to stay there for days on end.

Do you honestly believe him?

Yes or no?

Do you believe he was telling the truth about the Barnard Castle trip, MH1111? if so, are you going to report to Social Services the fact that he put his child in serious danger?

You clearly need a penis to do the Durham to london drive though cant expect a woman to do it

Judycoolibar

So we are agreed you have no evidence then, it was just what you believe.

And now your requesting that I call social services what should I say? I believe a child was in danger? It’s a fact though because it’s been written on mumsnet?

can you be specific, which if the rules has he broken?

www.gov.uk/driving-eyesight-rules

Do you believe Dominic Cummings got behind the wheel of his car, with his four-year-old child as a passenger, and drove for 30 minutes, in order to check whether he was safe to drive?

I believe a child was in danger? It’s a fact though because it’s been written on mumsnet?

No, it's a fact because the child father has told the world that he undertook a 60 mile round trip with his child in the car when he was not sure whether his eyesight was up to it, and you claim to believe him.

He also told the world that he went to collect his child by car in the middle of a period when, according to his wife, he was totally unable to get out of bed, again putting his child in danger.

Tell us, which of the two do you believe was lying about that? Because one of them has to be.

He didn’t break the rules, they clearly allowed anyone to seek help if they needed it. None of us know the degree of symptoms they had, or what other health issues they might have. Maybe they were scared they couldn’t manage? All valid reasons to seek help.

He wasn’t in contact with anyone at any point, thus couldn’t have spread anything.

For a 4 year old to need a wee during a car drive is hardly uncommon...

Taking a test drive because you’ve been very unwell to see how you fare before a long drive seems pretty reasonable to me ( as someone who used to live hours away from the nearest help as a single mum and someone who has medical conditions which mean flu can and does floor me. I’m not risking my child finds me unconscious on the floor - yes it’s happened but thankfully I’d had the foresight to get to help 2 days before hand).

If he’s gone for a jolly for no reason the fine sack him now like the others who for no good reason went off to 2nd homes etc. But judge a parent for not coping & getting help? No sorry I won’t. Happy to be proven wrong if someone can produce some evidence that neither he or his wife were sick and his child never had to go to hospital or that he will fully exposed himself to others knowing he was potentially infected with COVID.