To not understand the outrage at Dominic Cummings?

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Please don’t flame me for this. I’m not posting this to be controversial. I am someone who always tries to see the good in people which has been to my detriment at time’s in the past so I’m very well aware that maybe I’m missing something here and being too kind when he possibly doesn’t deserve it.

My understanding is that Dominic Cummings is saying that he only returned to Durham on one occasion which was because he had fears about potentially being unable to look after his child if him and his wife both ended up too unwell with Covid. I can understand the logic in that.

I appreciate the government advice at that stage was to stay home but if he genuinely didn’t have anyone to help with his son, then I can understand his fears and that he was trying to put his child first as any parent would.

My understanding is that a matter of days after, the government did clarify that travelling in the event of needing support with children if you had caught covid was an exceptional circumstance and that travel in that instance was acceptable.

I personally live hundreds of miles from family and don’t have anyone I could ask for help in the local area was I to become unwell with Covid so this does resonate with me.

I understand that there were sightings of Dominic Cummings on other dates in Durham which indicate that he travelled back up there. If this is true, I definitely agree that he needs to be sacked, but at this stage, there is no proof of this.

Am I missing something here?

I make my own decision about mine and my families personal safety based on data. I don't follow what our elitist government say based on media manipulation

Do you find that defence works in the courts?

@ooooohbetty, are you also having a massive laugh at all those people who obeyed the rules and didn't choose to travel 270 miles when they caught coronavirus? Are you also having a massive laugh at the people who may have caught the infection Cummings risked spreading?

Do carry on laughing. Clearly you cannot cope with reality and you need something to help you avoid thinking about the inconvenient truth.

oooohbetty if that's what you think then shame on you.

Nicola Sturgeon gets it. Plain speaking, clear leadership is what we need. Not some blustering Etonian.

Using elderly parents as potential childcare for a Covid infected family is so far outside the guidance and expect advice. It is also something that non of us plebs would have considered getting away with.

He cannot possibly keep his job and I cannot believe that Boris is trying to defend him. How can he possibly to retain any credibility?

I’ve got a problem with the specifics, and the hyperbole.

‘Highly likely’ for example. What does that mean? What’s the probability?

It ‘risks’ spreading the virus, certainly. But why is it ‘highly likely?’

Well at least it’s another nail in the Conservative coffin. Carry on Boris, Keir is on standby

This.

People might forget. Some people will remember. No matter what happens about Cummings, this episode will have cost some support.

expert advice.

He's not elected. What he does in his spare time shouldn't effect his employment.

His employment is all about formulating rules and policy that he and his employers expect the rest of us to abide by. Of course a decision to flout those rules in his so-called spare time affects his employment. That's the risk he took when he accepted the job.

Heather you're. I may be the proletariat..........

@Hadenoughfornow

It ‘risks’ spreading the virus, certainly. But why is it ‘highly likely

With symptoms. Or coming down with symptoms.

Cough on people / spread the disease through e.g. service stations, petrol stations...

From London to Durham.

And no one in Government has bothered to say where he stopped.

Interesting to see that the Spectator were hopping mad yesterday. They are the rag who let their Commissioning Editor (Cumming's wife) publish her moving piece about how her husband was at death's door in London- at the same time as he was observed dancing to ABBA in Durham. They are NOT amused and one can see why.

That level of misleading of the public, in a way that is bound to be found out, is a seriously worrying sign in a democracy, but of course exactly what you expect to see in a dictatorship. It suggests that you know it doesn't matter if you lie, because your family is different.

It’s extremely likely that he stopped at a service station or two, especially with a young child travelling for that amount of time, so yes in theory he was potentially spreading the virus up and down the country. To what extent we will never know but considering how contagious it is purported to be then this statement is probably correct.

Well we know the virus spreads easily. Not sure what your point is really, there are very few times we can point to some event and say that's who I caught it from. Infectious diseases are spread or contained by the population as a whole. That doesn't mean each individual has no individual responsibility - individual action or inaction helps to control the spread within the population.

‘Highly likely’ for example. What does that mean? What’s the probability?

It ‘risks’ spreading the virus, certainly. But why is it ‘highly likely?’

Does it matter? If somebody catches the virus and dies as a result of this, they will be no less dead if it was highly likely or merely a risk.

I hope all petrol stations on the A1/M are checking their cctv.

Also ‘270 miles’ adds to the drama of it all.

We lived a long way from our home town when I was a child, for a while. My mother (who was prone to hysterics) used to exclaim that ‘here we are, 330 miles from home!’

Nobody would quote the distance if it had been ten miles, however, he would still have broken the rules.

YNBU but be prepared for most people to tell you that you are. FWIW I don’t have an issue with what this man did. The outrage from people on her is way over the top. You’d think that this man’s behaviour had impacted them directly from the way they’re acting.I think it’s simply a case of we are on week 9 of lockdown, people are fed up and bored, and are venting their frustration at the easiest target. It’s beyond ridiculous.

Daffodil and did you have toilet breaks on your journey.........

HE HELPED TO WRITE THE RULES

Do you really think they wrote those rules for themselves? The rules were for you. Boris and Carry were back and forth from no10 and checkers and no one battered an eye.

I can't believe people actually think our gov are moral people looking out for everyone's best interest. I can't believe people are shocked. I didn't expect anything less. They are a ruling elite, they don't follow the rules they make them, and you all chose that when you all voted in.

Cummings has more of an excuse than the Scottish chief medical officer who took her whole family to her holiday home and then lied that she was only there to turn down the heating. And Neil Ferguson had no excuse at all for inviting a woman round for sex.

He came up with the Boris bus lie too. He trades in lies and manipulation.It’s time he went.

I have no family where I live, but at no point did I even consider travelling to family, spreading the virus, putting family members and others at risk.
No-one in their right mind would consider spreading the virus or putting family at risk. You say you didn't consider travelling to family but would you have considered it if you had family members with separate self-contained parts to their properties? Where you could isolate and only pass childcare to others if you were hospitalised?

If you knew you were contagious and, at the start thought you could get very seriously ill (as DC knew his uncle was very gravely ill in hospital) would you not make plans for your child's care if you were in a position to do so?

I regularly drove 350 miles home from holiday with small children asleep in the car. We used to set off at 6 ish home by 1am. I only remember stopping one year because I felt sick.

Nobody is saying what he’s done is ok.