253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

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I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

Tbh lots of ppl wonder around with unknown medical conditions like diabetes though.

And shielding is already so hard, and that's during lockdown when many people are working from home.

I'm shielding. Currently work are paying me but I have no idea what will happen after June but my husband is working from home and our daughter has stayed at university.

If they release lockdown without proper control and just let virus levels rise then my husband will be back out working in people's homes and our daughter will move back from university and be going out. That means two people living in the house with me who will be potentially exposed multiple times to the virus. How can I shield like that? So are people proposing that my husband and daughter also have to shield with me? If they are proposing all households containing a shielded or vulnerable person need to isolate then that's likely to be the majority of the people in the UK, either with or living with someone who.is vulnerable.

They clearly haven't looked into this and are just so desperate to get back to normal that they are throwing out random ideas to make this happen.

There is no way to just let life get back to normal. Releasing lockdown needs to include measures to make it as safe as it possibly can be but many posters on MN don't want that. They just want all restrictions lifted and be done with it. I do hope they expect to be treated with the same callousness should they ever be in a position of needing help.

If they release lockdown without proper control and just let virus levels rise then my husband will be back out working in people's homes and our daughter will move back from university and be going out. That means two people living in the house with me who will be potentially exposed multiple times to the virus. How can I shield like that? So are people proposing that my husband and daughter also have to shield with me? If they are proposing all households containing a shielded or vulnerable person need to isolate then that's likely to be the majority of the people in the UK, either with or living with someone who.is vulnerable.

I agree. Far too many people think the "shielded" are just random old people. They're not. We're shielding because of my OH's cancer. That means both me and our son are shielding too. We can't risk her life on going out and about and potentially bringing the virus back in the house.

DS is going to Uni in Sepember - he knows that he won't be coming back home unless he manages to social distance and shield himself whilst at Uni - that's a tall order. Unless there's a vaccine or treatment, he'll be stuck at Uni over Christmas. Luckily he has a sensible head on his shoulders and understands the very real risk of bringing the virus into the house if he goes out and about, so is staying in and planning to go to Uni alone, and staying there!

Of course 'releasing' those least at risk won't get the economy back to normal. But it would certainly be better than not.

Let’s just go for eugenics , eh - let the elderly, vulnerable and those of dubious ethnicities and risk factored take their chance in some dystopian obnoxious nihilistic universe championed by some

LOL at eugenics being letting the elderly die.

@nihiloxia bizarre isn’t it?

There are lots of other things we can all die of in this dystopian nihilistic world regardless of covid 🤦🏻‍♀️

We will all be higher risk of dying as we get older and/ or our health fails (which lockdown will accelerate in many)

Hearhooves who are these posters advocating we get entirely back to normal with no controls?

who are these posters advocating we get entirely back to normal with no controls?

Any poster calling for lockdown to be lifted now so that things can get back to normal. What controls do we have in place now to safely ease, let alone lift, lockdown?

Schools are meant to go back next week - what safety controls are in place?

The government have repeatedly list the 5 tests that must be satisfied before they lift lockdown, one of those is the test, track and trace system which is not up and running. So, we haven't met the criteria set by government. How are we ready to ease lockdown?

I think it's generally accepted that things won't be entirely as they were, isnt it? So no big crowded events, spectator sports, and ant if those inside crowded situations where people are breathing in other people's exhalation!

However, meeting family and friends in small groups, being allowed to meet up with a partner, sharing a bottle of wine, being able to earn money...those things that make life worth living, that's what I see posters yearning for. Nor being able to attend football matches or sit through a four act opera

LOL at eugenics being letting the elderly die. grin

Sending COVID positive patients to care homes is one way of proactively accelerating the death of the elderly. I’m not lol’ing or grinning though.

I think I now have a better insight into how hateful ideologies emerge, incrementally. This thread has been illuminating for all the wrong reasons

There has been a strong eugenics element since Covid began.

Of course 'releasing' those least at risk won't get the economy back to normal. But it would certainly be better than not.

Not necessarily. Businesses may make a loss if they have too few customers.

Yes, that ageist virus. Should be banned. What happened to equal ops?

Yes, that ageist virus. Should be banned. What happened to equal ops?

It's preventing geriatrics from passing on their genes.

Not just ageist, but eugenecist!

FFS

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I should think being able to socialise in small groups is a fair way off yet.

R is perilously close to 1. Estimates are that schools going back will raise it by 0.2, which could well take it above 1. Then we've got shops opening.up and people going back to work - R will be above 1 very soon.

Agree @Aridane

I cling to the hope the eugenics enthusiasts are a minority but I wonder now. If they weren't the majority we wouldn't have a situation today where so many of the disabled struggle financially on less than subsistence benefits that frequently get stopped after private companies 'assess' them. We wouldn't have disabled people with mobility issues genuinely confined to their homes (unlike the UK half hearted lockdown so moaned about). They're trapped indoors because there's no ground floor social housing available and private landlords won't let to benefit recipients. We also would've sorted out the care home funding crisis well before now.

The depressing truth is that we're not a civilised society as those societies take care of their most vulnerable.

Estimates are that schools going back will raise it by 0.2

I’m pretty sure that was schools being entirely open.

I should think being able to socialise in small groups is a fair way off yet.

But a hell of a lot of people already are. Not me before you jump at me, but a lot of people.

The R has largely been high because of transmission in care homes and hospitals. The Weston situation seems to be that it is closed due to high transmission in the hospital or fears of it (a lot of staff are sick)

We need to be brave and not hide in the shadows. But equally we need to be sensible, leaving it too long will lead to a real ‘fuck it’ mentality that will cause more transmission not less.

Well on the briefing tonight Matt Hancock mentioned a spike in Barrow, so it's not just in Weston. As for being brave, well it's a fine line between bravery and recklessness. It all feels like it's moving too fast - schools are scheduled to gradually open up over the next month, they haven't yet and now they've announced that all shops can open from next week, but they have no idea what effect the schools will have. So they're opening all shops, plus primary schools together at the same time. If that causes a spike then by the time they know it will be at high levels in the community and because the track and trace system isn't up and running no one will know that they've crossed paths with someone who is positive.

What a mess.

I watched the briefing and thought it was fairly positive otoh....

I should think being able to socialise in small groups is a fair way off yet.

Not according to the news today. There is socialising with small groups in your garden, on the beach or in the park, being sensible, taking care and being mindful of distance and hygiene. And there is having an indoor party and getting wasted. I think it is the former they are talking about.

The R number is apparently not an exact science and is very hard to calculate. It also varies tremendously from region to region, and even within a location varies hugely depending on activity and behaviour within that location.

The Barrow spike was talked about last week. It is apparently linked to the housing, the reliance on a single industry and the general poor health and demographic of the Barrow residents. It's an odd thing for a remote town an hour away from the nearest motorwy.

There is no chance of getting back to normality any time soon. But there is a chance of actually seeing a few more people and doing a few more activities than we have done for two months at some point this summer, and maybe even being able to earn some bloody money so we can start paying for this enormous thing.

I think life is starting to return to the new normal, people going back to work and school. It has been such an interesting time, I have enjoyed lockdown, the slower pace of life, having time to watch and hear nature but life has to return to some sort of normal, children need to go back to school and adults need to go back to work.

@ToffeeYoghurt can I ask, are you in the shielding group? I have been reading your other posts, you seem very keen lockdown doesn’t end anytime soon.

I think the barrow thing is unique to barrow. Had family there for years and it’s a unique place. Very community oriented and very very poverty stricken. Obviously there’s some very nice houses, especially on the outskirts of town, and some awesome people, but health in general is poor and I can almost guarantee the scenes on VE Day and on the hot sunny days we’ve had - not social distancing, lots of kids mixing, in and out of homes etc

You must've mixed me up with another poster Alex?
It's quite clear I want the opposite to ongoing lockdown. I also want to avoid a prolonged lack of normality. Which easing lockdown without taking the simple measures other countries have taken would mean.

Hence my wish for us to implement those measures. Which we should and could've done weeks ago.

We could've been ready to ease lockdown by now. Better late than never. It shouldn't take us too long to implement the necessary measures.

I'm not in the shielding group. Some of us care about other people including the more vulnerable. Basic morals.