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253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

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whenthejoyreturns · 23/05/2020 14:33

I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

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mrpumblechook · 25/05/2020 12:02

Or they are looking at their DC on a daily basis and what they are missing out on. They are talking to older at risk relatives who are heartbroken at the effect on children and who think younger people need to get their lives back.

I'm also very concerned about the effects on DC and really hope they can go back to school soon. However, that doesn't mean it's reasonable to only compare adverse effects of lockdown with the (minimal) effects for young healthy people only.. People with underlying conditions are just as important and the benefits and risks of lockdown should be weighed up for the population as a whole.

Teateaandmoretea · 25/05/2020 16:03

Mr Pumple That is exactly what we have been doing since March. It is why the children are missing out on seeing their friends and all of their hobbies. But there is a time when this is no longer tenable.

mrpumblechook · 25/05/2020 16:08

That is exactly what we have been doing since March. It is why the children are missing out on seeing their friends and all of their hobbies. But there is a time when this is no longer tenable.

Are you seriously suggesting that it is no longer tenable to weigh up the benefits and risks for the whole population and now only people with no underlying diseases count?Hmm

ToffeeYoghurt · 25/05/2020 16:16

Are you heartbroken for the children who've lost a parent or much loved grandparent?

What about the many younger people with prexisting conditions?

How does life 'get back to normal' with an uncontrolled deadly infectious virus out there?

How do you know it's safe for healthy younger people? Do you know something about potential long-term complications that the experts don't yet know? And given the low numbers of deaths in that group were during lockdown. How would those numbers stay low of hospitals were overwhelmed?

Yes. We need to start easing our half hearted lockdown. So let's get on with taking the same measures other countries have taken to lower the economic and life risks. We could've done all that by now.

Teateaandmoretea · 25/05/2020 16:18

Yeah because the only danger in life is covid. Hmm

ToffeeYoghurt · 25/05/2020 16:25

It's very clear to anybody with a brain that the lockdown wasn't to protect the most vulnerable. Who haven't been protected. Elderly and younger disabled (like Rory Kinnear's 48 year old sister) were thrown to the wolves.

The lockdown was very obviously to protect the economy and younger people.

We want it to end with less risks to economy and lives? Yes? Perhaps not because most of the people who've been foot stamping for the last two months about the pandemic not magically disappearing don't seem to want us to take the simple measures other countries have taken to more safely ease it. We, like them, could've been ready by now.

I do so hope the recent public concern over MH continues post pandemic. Likewise concern the isolated (particularly those for whom this is long-term). Perhaps too the concern might extend to those whose MH might suffer because of ending lockdown without the safety measures other countries have taken. Including children fearful for parents with underlying conditions (or who themselves are vulnerable).

formerbabe · 25/05/2020 16:32

The lockdown was very obviously to protect the economy

Load of nonsense...it's destroying the economy.

It was to prevent the nhs being overwhelmed...no government wants images of people dying in hospital corridors on the news.

Teateaandmoretea · 25/05/2020 16:35

It's very clear to anybody with a brain that the lockdown wasn't to protect the most vulnerable. Who haven't been protected. Elderly and younger disabled (like Rory Kinnear's 48 year old sister) were thrown to the wolves.

Well if it was it certainly failed re care homes. We have followed the rules entirely and so these cock ups make it far worse.

I haven’t said anywhere that everything should go immediately back to normal, but we need to start easing towards it. Otherwise there will be a higher proportion of people with underlying health conditions.

ToffeeYoghurt · 25/05/2020 16:38

The pandemic has impacted on economies worldwide. That's an unavoidable impact of a global deadly very infections disease. Some countries acted quickly to mitigate the damage. We didn't.

The UK economy is doing worse than countries who locked down earlier and properly. Who have now taken simple measures to allow for a safer exit. Measures we could implement to. Quite quickly if we wanted to.

How do you think the economy would've run normally with large numbers of the workforce off sick for extended periods or traumatised and grieving or dead?

ToffeeYoghurt · 25/05/2020 16:40

I agree we should start easing it.
We should be doing what other countries have done. Put in place the simple measures that will make it possible to ease safely. It shouldn't take us too long. Other countries have managed it.

mrpumblechook · 25/05/2020 16:56

Load of nonsense...it's destroying the economy.

You don't know that the economy would have fared better without lockdown. It hasn't in Sweden.

Hearhoovesthinkzebras · 25/05/2020 18:20

It's interesting to read that a hospital in the West had to close today due to the number of suspected Covid patients in A and E - maybe this isn't quite so "over" as some people would like us to believe.

Teateaandmoretea · 25/05/2020 19:20

interesting is a strange choice of word. I think are some are actually enjoying this, that is the MOST scary thing

Nihiloxica · 25/05/2020 19:25

It's not often you get to confine people to their homes for months on end.

There are people who have been waiting their whole lives for this level of state interference in our lives.

mrpumblechook · 25/05/2020 19:31

It's not often you get to confine people to their homes for months on end.

People aren't confined to their homes.

0v9c99f9g9d939d9f9g9h8h · 25/05/2020 21:28

nih What I don't understand is, if it's so untenable for you to be living this way and you're so enormously oppressed and concerned for your kids, why are you not doing whatever you can to mitigate this for your children instead of posting prolifically?

Xenia · 25/05/2020 21:31

Hopefully it will all be lifted soon - lockdown has not been for the greater good and the sooner it is over the better as I have said consistently from the start. Eg even cancelling public exams has made the UK a weird outlier where most other countries have just delayed them a month. We really have gone to town on things here.

Mbc124 · 25/05/2020 22:30

It will definitely be lifted soon. 12% of ICU beds are in use. That gives them the leeway they need. It’s as simple as that. Many more people will die from this yet but they now have space to see if a relaxation works or not. Personally I will still do what I can to minimise risk whilst starting to enjoy life again.

Nihiloxica · 25/05/2020 22:49

why are you not doing whatever you can to mitigate this for your children instead of posting prolifically?

Hmm

Maybe you can't parent and post on Mumsnet, but the clue is in the name that many of us manage it.

What a lame dig.

NoHardSell · 26/05/2020 07:38

Of course it's not over. It's just going to be kicking around on and off for years now. It's not a particularly big deal, we know more about it now and can learn to live with it pretty easily. Well, we have to learn to live with it, easily or not. So you can struggle on thinking hiding in your house is the answer or you can just get on with life. Either way, it's not all over. Funny idea.

Ethelfleda · 26/05/2020 07:42

It will become less of a big deal when the mainstream media isnt covering every tiny aspect of it and reporting every statistic and sensationalising it at every opportunity.

NoHardSell · 26/05/2020 07:44

Did anyone read the long read about polio and the epidemics of the past? That must have been a genuinely terrifying time to live through.

www.theguardian.com/society/2020/may/26/last-iron-lung-paul-alexander-polio-coronavirus

oohnicevase · 26/05/2020 07:51

Also it doesn't says if they are overweight .. a friend of a friend died with Covid because his heart gave out when they turned him in hospital . So he didn't have an underlying condition but essentially being overweight contributed to his death whilst having Covid . It's about all black and white .

Alex50 · 26/05/2020 07:58

I think the smallpox was the worst and was around for a very long time. They eventually eradicated it by an old wives tale that milk maids were immune and they were, it was from the puss of cows milk, as cowpox gave you a mild dose.

www.cdc.gov/smallpox/history/history.html

Alex50 · 26/05/2020 08:02

When lockdowns lifts there is going to be a lot of people terrified of their own shadow. I know people daren’t let their children out even in the garden in case it kills them 🙄 They have locked their children away for 10 weeks, it’s shocking.