253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

[whenthejoyreturns]

I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

I don’t find this comforting tbh and don’t find it in a good taste. I don’t think I know a single person who doesn’t have an underlying condition or Who doesn’t have family/loved ones with an underlying condition. People aren’t just scared for themselves but their families and friends too. To write off deaths and imply “it’s not as bad as it seems” because those hit worst are those who already had health conditions is depressing.

My 30 year old husband has diabetes. Our young son has asthma.

You have to look at the data to access your risk, we will all have to make a personal decision at some point, to make an informed decision. Keeping children at home because you’re scared your child might die because of coronvirus is not an informed choice as it is minuscule risk to children, even with health problems.

My 94 year old aunt is truly devastated of the impact of lockdown on our children in so many respects, largely to protect the elderly. She said she knows the risks and wants the respect to adjust accordingly.

She says the idea that country has been put on hold for people on her age group is making her very depressed

Oh fgs. Lockdown was not to protect the elderly. Lockdown was to preserve capacity within the NHS so that it would be able to treat those who needed it. Arguably, the elderly have not been protected - especially if you look at what's happened in care homes. Those elderly people weren't protected by lockdown, nor did they get the medical help that others got.

Without lockdown, healthy, younger people wouldn't have got into hospital because there wouldn't have been capacity. That's what you're risking by pushing too hard for lockdown to be eased before measures are in place to control infection rates.

You can't demand that others risk their lives to indulge you.

If your aunt is 94 I presume (unless there's a massive age gap) you're in your 50s or 60s? The age risk starts at working age. From 45 there's increased risk and even more so from 60. Working age.

Regardless, you can reassure your aunt. It was done to protect the economy more than lives.

You can also remind her the vulnerable group comprises a very large number of younger people. Prexisting conditions are very common.

She might also be interested to know that many younger people love and care about their older friends and relatives. Children included. Losing a parent or other loved one is devastating for a child.

In any event there's no need for anybody to get so worked up. We only need take the same simple measures other countries have taken. We'd soon be ready to ease lockdown with less risk to the economy and lives.

I am late thirties with two primary aged children.
My father has me very late in life and she was a decade older than him.

She knows the score and she’s still mortified.

**We only need take the same simple measures other countries have taken. We'd soon be ready to ease lockdown with less risk to the economy and lives.
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What simple measures exactly?

Ugh Jesus, are you seriously lecturing a 94 year old woman you don't know about lockdown?

Huh? No way! I can’t be bothered to talk about it, it’s her!

Huh? No way! I can’t be bothered to talk about it, it’s her!

no, I was was addressing the person giving you a list of talking points as if she some batty old dear who doesn't know anything.

@Feelinghistoric

No one is saying that it’s not absolutely tragic when people with underlying conditions die of this horrible disease

Some are.

But either everyone stays in lockdown or only people with underlying conditions stay in lockdown. One way the economy collapses. It doesn’t seem complicated to me

Do you have any idea how many people have underlying conditions?? A huge percentage of the country.

I'm diabetic. Happy to remain in lockdown if you can tell me how I'll pay my mortgage & bills, but that aside

None of us are suggesting lockdown forever- just a few more weeks of proper lockdown to get the R Rate down, it's just too soon, the RRate is currently TOO HIGH to start relaxing the rules.

Do you not understand that when the RRate is one (which we are very close to already) the virus will take off again & lots of people will get ill and the NHS will be overwhelmed. Many deaths will occur - do you not understand how THAT will fuck the economy?!

People seem to forget there's a virus out there, we aren't in lockdown for shits & giggles.

The lockdown isn't causing the problems- the VIRUS is causing the problems.

Sorry, forgot the 👌🏻

the vast majority of people dying are over 75, which is a good age. It’s only in the last 20 years or so there has been any reasonable expectation of living longer than that. And a lot of people in that category will be over 80, or over 90, or already very ill. I just don’t see how destroying our economy can be justified to basically keep the very old alive.

Why not just be more proactive and herd the elderly into care homes (where they can shield and / or die together) - unless they are providing childcare - or just euthanise the old. fuckers? They’ve had their time and should be grateful to already have lived so long

No, the lockdown is causing the problems.

There is so little virus in the community that it is putting the attempt to the test vaccine at risk.

It's time to start coming out of lockdown in the next week or so.

The figures for deaths and hospitalisations are steadily declining.

Countries ahead of us in unlocking are doing well.

We have been locked up for long enough. Enough damage has been done.

People are not going to stay observant for much longer anyway. The mood is changing. Better to relax with people's consent than try to impose unwelcome restrictions they will ignore.

Why not just be more proactive and herd the elderly into care homes (where they can shield and / or die together) - unless they are providing childcare - or just euthanise the old. fuckers? They’ve had their time and should be grateful to already have lived so long

That's pretty much the lockdown enthusiast attitude to children.

Lock the little fuckers up indefinitely, who gives a shit what it does to them?

Biddies?

Such vile contempt. Reported.

I agree, where I live there hasn’t been any new cases for 7 days, only one death in 6 days. Yet people are loosing their jobs, their homes, their businesses.

No one is saying that it’s not absolutely tragic when people with underlying conditions die of this horrible disease

Say 98 years old
Dementia
Numerous underlying health condition

Would I describe this person’s death as a result of Covid as “absolutely tragic”? No. Just as I wouldn’t I’d they died of pneumonia, bronchitis and so on.

@LemonPudding

Read the posts you’re about to make a fool of yourself

@Sodamncold

I did. And I haven't.

I just found this thread and it’s something I’ve been thinking about. The facts and figures. We will have to come out of lockdown eventually and the virus is unlikely to magically disappear when we do.
The vaccine may be available in six, twelve, 18 months time, who knows?
But what I was thinking was, people know the risks involved in smoking or over eating or drinking too much alcohol or taking drugs. It’s been drummed into us. Yet people still smoke, drink, eat a poor diet and take drugs (obviously not all people). Despite the known risks. And despite having underlying conditions. Because maybe they think “I’ll be fine” or “there’s a treatment for whatever condition I may develop” “I’ll be ok. I can live with that”.

Well there’s no real fail safe treatment for covid. And no vaccine.

As a society we’re going to have to decide what’s an acceptable risk and how to diminish the risk as far as practicable. And accept that until scientists know more about covid, people will die from it.

They won’t delete it because they will understand the context! Oh dear you have

Lockdown was to protect the economy more than lives.

Like a poster points out on another thread the elderly aren't being protected. As we can all see from the care homes scandal.
It's a sign of a civilised society that treats it's most vulnerable well. Clearly we're not a civilised society.

Btw not everybody with care needs is elderly. Many young disabled too. Some live in care homes.

@Sodamncold
I've detailed upthread (and on other threads) the simple measures. The same measures that have been taken by the countries nilhiloxica talks of reopening. Of course most also locked down earlier and properly (including border restrictions) so are reopening to much lower R rates.

We need to get more PPE for frontline staff, fully implement test, track and trace, early treatment, checks and proper quarantine at airports, masks for the public (particularly on transport). Simple measures given many other countries have done it.