253 people under the age of 60 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK

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I'm in no way trying to minimise these deaths at all but I wondered if people were aware of this number. Every day we hear the number of deaths, but this is never broken down into categories that we can relate to ourselves.
30 people under the age of 45 with no other underlying health issues had died from Covid-19 in the UK.
AIBU to want people to know this because I don't think enough people realise.

What people who say this mean is " I don't have underlying conditions and I am the most important and everyone else is expendable so that I can do what I want because there isn't a very big risk to ME"

I agree

you're complaining about how bad it is for MH being isolated from other people but then saying that the vulnerable and shielded should remain isolated, long term. Err, what about their MH then because what you are asking for will necessitate them to be isolated for far longer while we wait for the virus to run through the healthy under 45 population.•

Clearly they are irrelevant and expendable so long as the ubermensch flourish

That's what I am saying yeah. I give a shit about me and my own

The threat to healthy young people may be minimal but if they lose their parents who have underlying health conditions than the threat is real.
Given that my husband and I both have long term health conditions and are over 45 I find threads like this irritating.
After all our conditions won't kill us but COVID might but it implies that our death would be met with o well they had underlying health conditions.

Doesn't really help cheer those of us with health conditions. And there are lots of us. You may even know some.

The threat to healthy young people may be minimal but if they lose their parents who have underlying health conditions than the threat is real

Only if the parents don’t socially distance or follow the guidelines. Having underlying conditions does not make you incapable of not taking responsibility for your own safety unless you lack capacity,

There is no threat to the parents unless the parents do not follow the guidelines to keep themselves safe.

@Northernsoulgirl45
Then you and your husband should self isolate. The rest of the population should be allowed to go to work and school should they choose. Do I need to burn my family up keep you warm? No, I dont. Take responsibility for your own life and let the rest of us do so as well.

bluntness

The reality is, many grandparents will be required to care for their grandchildren so their children can work. They may choose to or they may acquiesce when their children tell everyone loudly that they'd rather take their chances than go another day without seeing their grandchildren and a job's a job etc. One way or another, they won't be able to cut themselves off from risk when everyone else is out and about. Families expect more.

My husband is in the shielding category and has not left thr house since lockdown. He has been wfh thankfully paying taxes etc.
I have minimised my risk by going out rarely to supermarket and chemists etc.
I have no income as my existing work has disappeared (se) and unwilling to take on higher risk roles due to mine and dhs health. So we are being responsible but cannot completely take risk away.
Certainly we are concerned about our dc returning to school.

So is that responsible enough for you . Hrll we are ecen socially distancing in the home. @Jane67996 and @Bluntness100
Not stopping anyone from doing what they want or sebding their kids to school when abke.

Hell even

What a deeply unpleasant thread

I am with you on that one.

I actually think the elderly and potentially younger disabled people in care homes have been shafted by the government.
Care homes struggled to obtain PPE and rather than admit suspected COVID patients they were left ho die in care homes. Even worse COVID patients in hospital were discharged back to care homes.

@ToffeeYoghurt How has lockdown protected the economy?

Erm yes but equally I know hardly anyone who has had it - obviously could have had it symptomlessly but they have been massively distancing so unlikely. Statistically those numbers are so low just now because only such a small part of the population have had it no?

FFS statistically most of you wil be fine. Get a grip.

It protected the economy because the educated belief was if it had burned through, people out of work through illness would have closed businesses, the health care system would have collapsed and society could have been brought to its knees by the hospital admissions and deaths. By controlling its spread and the rate of infection, this was prempted.

Perhaps now social distancing will be enough as some key chains of transmission have been broken by previously infected people having antibodies. But time will tell on that too.

Dr Fauci said, and i paraphrase, if lockdowns work then people perceive the danger to have been less than it was and that measures taken were too hardline.

After reading about a 4 year old being left covered in poo by a teacher for 45 minutes, I think it's about time people start thinking more rationally

Ahh nice bit if teacher bashing thrown in there.

But also people are dying 'with' the disease - not 'of' it.

So if you were ran over and died from your injuries, but you had symptoms of covid when you died, it would be recorded as dying with covid and you would be added into the stats.

It's not right really.

Exactly, this baby actually died of oxygen starved to the brain which happens to 6000 babies each year but it’s made the news because Mum had coronvirus, It warps the figures.

amp.theguardian.com/world/2020/may/13/three-day-old-baby-dies-after-mother-catches-coronavirus-south-wales

The figures are also "warped", due to the lack of testing in care homes and the community until recently. If people died without being tested it was not reported as a Covid-19 death.

As other countries have shown there is no need to keep any people in lockdown

2 conditions. Low numbers of cases and an effective test trace and isolate strategy , leading to R below 1 stability

We locked down so late that it takes quite a while to get the number of cases low enough that test and trace becomes possible

We have a pretty incompetent government meaning that we still have not got the test and trace in place and I have no idea how they will force people to isolate without making it clear that they will pay the wages and fine any employer who discriminated against a self isolater

Then we can look after everyone ..and the near normality will be far better than 20 to 30% of the population living in a very real fear of getting the virus, removing themselves ( and their cash) from society for years

Then we can look after everyone ..and the near normality will be far better than 20 to 30% of the population living in a very real fear of getting the virus, removing themselves ( and their cash) from society for years

Exactly. Some people don't seem to get the fact that if 20 or 30% of the population isolate themselves for years the economy is going to tank anyway.

Yes agree re care homes, now everyone is tested it will be interesting to see what the figures are. It annoys me with me children as it scares parents and doesn’t help them make an informed choice.

What people who say this mean is " I don't have underlying conditions and I am the most important and everyone else is expendable so that I can do what I want because there isn't a very big risk to ME

Or they are looking at their DC on a daily basis and what they are missing out on. They are talking to older at risk relatives who are heartbroken at the effect on children and who think younger people need to get their lives back.

We needed lockdown as there had been a massive fuck up where no one would accept that anyone who hadn’t been to Wuhan or northern Italy could possibly have covid. It therefore spread exponentially with this false reassurance and we topped it off with the Cheltenham festival.

As long as the virus is reasonably under control it doubles your risk of dying in a year if you catch it. At pretty much any age group. Older people are at a greater risk of dying at any time, so in numbers it increases their risk but older people are more aware of their own mortality in general so don’t necessarily see things differently to the younger people everyone seems to enjoy calling ‘selfish’

It’s also ‘selfish’ to expect people to lockdown because you are more scared than them.....