to think Dominic Cummings has to go?

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Dominic Cummings apparently travelled to his parents house while meant to be self isolating due to covid symptoms.

Given what happened with Neil Ferguson and Catherine Calderwood, AIBU to think his position ought to be untenable?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/22/dominic-cummings-durham-trip-coronavirus-lockdown

Actually Lyra that's an excellent point on reflection. She does need to seethe quietly.

It's very clear the rules don't apply if you are connected to government and your face fits -

Matt Hancock was back at work 6 days after his positive test
Boris' girlfriend moved address twice after he was diagnosed - once to leave DS and go to their flat, then to Chequers after he was released from hospital (via DS). She's now back at DS.

Robert Jenrick lives in London. His family went to their country home. He followed via his parents. Not only did people buy that, suddenly, it was ok for him to go to his 2nd home because he "feels like that his is main home" they also bought that he had to deliver that one prescription to his parents, even though they'd had regular local help with shopping and prescriptions before (and since).
Now Cummings.

Neil Ferguson pissed off the wrong people and was made to fall on his sword.

I fully expect that at some point it'll come out that Matt Hancock went to his second home while he was ill. When the questions about other homes were being asked due to Jenrick he looked very uncomfortable, yet none of the journalists asked him directly. His face still fits.

Itsgettingweird She's resisted every single attempt the journalists have made to goad her into having a go at Boris the whole way through this. She needs to continue that imo.

The Daily Mail have had their constant campaign going against her as it is, accusing her constantly of grandstanding and "gazzumping". They'd love to accuse her of trying to interfere in English issues.

All she needs to say is that travel guidance in England is not in her remit and nothing else.

So it’s stay at home if you feel absolutely fine, but if you actually have the virus then crack on mate.

I think every single advisor who broke the rules should be sacked unceremoniously. It’s a genuinely dangerous message to send to the public if these morons stay.
Cummings also broke the rules and exposed other people knowingly.

This is now bigger than Dominic Cummings. He could have apologised and accepted that that he fucked up because he was scared.

Nah, better for Downing Street to call Durham Police Force liars.

Nicola Sturgeon actually should really get behind this. She should point out how she was fired to sack a advisor who travelled to an empty property. Yet as Cummings can travel with covid 250 miles. Nicola must be furious - at least she stood up and agreed what CC did was wrong but was honest that she really relied on her expertise at this time, and really that was nothing compared to what DC has done. I'd imagine she'll not rock the boat though - already too much accusation of her using this pandemic to score political points, she'd be best to keep a dignified silence. I'm sure some SNP MP's will speak up though, it's more their business

@merrymouse They are fond of changing rules retrospectively Remember the Cait Reilly workfare Poundland debacle?

This wasn't just a breach of the rules it was cowardice. Cummings ran away as soon as the infection was hitting the cabinet. The PM senior aid downed tools and fled to the other end of the country during a major national crisis.

Physical, moral and intellectual cowardice.

Check the date of Cummings' mother's 71st Birthday party
the trip suddenly becomes clear ....

Check the date of Cummings' mother's 71st Birthday party
the trip suddenly becomes clear ....

My dads 84th birthday is today. Im in my home and he is in his home.

And as a childfree person im pretty pissed off that a child is being used by people sticking up for Cummings as an excuse to travel hundreds of miles up the country to see elderly parents when i havent seen mine for the entire period of lockdown.

Insisting that government ministers and advisers stick to their own rules, and refusing to comply with rules which only exist for the plebs isn’t petulant.

I didn't say that though did I. Try rereading what I did actually say rather than deliberately trying to twist my words to further your argument.

When was his mothers birthday party? I can't find it.

I don't why, but when I heard the story, my first thought was I bet he would love to get out now, as I strongly suspect so would Boris. Nothing is going to be easy to spin in the next year is it ?

Section 6 of the act makes it plain travelling to provide care and assistance for the vulnerable is a reasonable excuse. Therefore Cummings acted lawfully.

Section 6 of the act makes it plain travelling to provide care and assistance for the vulnerable is a reasonable excuse. Therefore Cummings acted lawfully

That argument would work surely if his sister had travelled from Durham to London to care for the child.

Shame the care homes didnt get the same protective ring around them that Dominic Cummings has.

More people might have survived.

I don't why, but when I heard the story, my first thought was I bet he would love to get out now, as I strongly suspect so would Boris. Nothing is going to be easy to spin in the next year is it
I did not look at it this way

Section 6 of the act makes it plain travelling to provide care and assistance for the vulnerable is a reasonable excuse. Therefore Cummings acted lawfully.

No, he didn't. Someone travelling to care for his child could use that. He wasn't travelling to provide care or assistance to anyone.

And if both parents had been sufficiently sick that the child actually needed to be cared for.

• Section 6 of the act makes it plain travelling to provide care and assistance for the vulnerable is a reasonable excuse. Therefore Cummings acted lawfully.

No, he didn't. Someone travelling to care for his child could use that. He wasn't travelling to provide care or assistance to anyone.*

To add to this, that rule applied to people only who were well and symptom free

No one said it was ok anyway to travel to look after someone who wasn't vulnerable but might become vulnerable in the future.

Like a person who hasn't had a heart attack yet but might because they have very high blood pressure. Or a child who is being looked after but might not be in the future if both parents should happen to be among the unfortunate few in their age group who become seriously unwell.

Section 6 of the act makes it plain travelling to provide care and assistance for the vulnerable is a reasonable excuse.Therefore Cummings acted lawfully

So how come his London family could not provide care for his child for a few days? And how are all the other parents in this country are coping with illness and work and childcare all at the same time? DH and I have been working more than full time in very demanding jobs and have been educating our children too. We have no support and no special connections who could give us a favour. What is so special about Cummings that he is allowed to crops the country on a very long drive, which requires breaks and petrol refills and toilets, WITH a confirmed COVID case onboard to go to his parents who are vulnerable? People have died without seeing a loved one. Why is he so special that he is allowed to put other people’s lives at risk?

Neil Ferguson should have got his mistress to bring him a bag of groceries and he'd have been able to worm his way out of it as well (had it not been for the fact Cummings clearly wanted him out)