to think Dominic Cummings has to go?

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Dominic Cummings apparently travelled to his parents house while meant to be self isolating due to covid symptoms.

Given what happened with Neil Ferguson and Catherine Calderwood, AIBU to think his position ought to be untenable?

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/22/dominic-cummings-durham-trip-coronavirus-lockdown

Hancock should be thinking of resigning too after that tweet. I have defended him on here in the past but we all live and learn eh?

Neither I nor my DC had CV19 or symptoms, but we were not allowed to visit my parents. However, if I did have symptoms, then it would have been OK? This is very confusing.

Actually you could entirely understand that the guy is completely friendless and could rely on nobody at all to help him and his family in London in their hour of need. You kind of reap what you sow.

Surprised there's no petition yet

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Well, the briefing should be interesting today. What’s the bet that zoom will be down again and they won’t be able to take questions from the press.

TBH,I don’t particularly like the way the media spy on people, reporting to the police and where this and that tabloid saw him in this and that place. I wouldn’t necessarily take everything the media have said about this as true, however,having now admitted he broke the rules and did drive down to his family he needs to go.

Most people stay home because of their health and the risk to them but there are a number who will now go ahead and do as they like because the government have proven themselves to be above the rules. Some (not all) people will take the view that following the rules is now unnecessary since the government themselves have now sent the message that they don’t apply.

And where the fuck is Boris Johnson?

Boris is hiding away.
His very good at hide and seek.

@FliesandPies thanks for the link. Let's hope it gets support.

The thing is, if it’s a reasonable thing to do in that situation then the guidance should be clear on that so that all of us can do the same

Most of us wouldn't have a spare house to move in to though so it wouldn't be possible. It wouldn't be reasonable to move in with elderly parents obviously, but as far as I am aware he didn't do that. The closest I could get to his situation is asking my sister to come and collect my child and deliver my food. But as she lives locally it would work. I guess that the situation he moved himself into as he wasn't local to his family was the same as what I have now. If any of us got sick and thought we may not be able to look after the children we would all have to have made other arrangements for them one way or another. That's obvious without needing specific guidance I would have thought.

This is basically travelling - while sick - to your second home - something I thought we are not allowed to do unless you are prince Charles.

Most of us wouldn't have a spare house to move in to though
People were explicitly told not to move to their spare houses.

The excuse story is BS

We can only assume he has enough information on BoJo to bring him down. And rest are just yes men anyway, but all parrotting the same excuse and words.

He doesnt even try to pretend to care either. Guess its because he was elected.

People were explicitly told not to move to their spare houses.

To stop people going on holiday to their second homes and infecting the locals no doubt. I recall at the beginning people rushing off to their second homes and treating it like a holiday because the schools were closed. That was a problem. Somewhat different if you're moving to a house on your parents land with the support from family to self isolate properly.

shameful cover up by no 10...losing faith rapidly in government at a few levels

I wonder if it's a good idea to spend 4 - 5 hours in an enclosed environment like a car with someone who has Covid 19 - especially with your child.

If only someone had been paying attention to how it was spread whilst they were in the Sage meetings

It’s such a pity that that road is one way and neither his sister or his niece could come to him if absolutely needed rather than the sick people travelling

So it was not ok for healthy people to go to their spare houses but it was ok for CV19 sufferers to go to their spare houses Intothesun?

Do we even know that he really was in a separate building? The neighbours said he was dancing in his parents’ garden and when the police went to see Cummings, they said:

’Officers made contact with the owners of that address who confirmed that the individual in question was present and was self-isolating in part of the house.’ www.google.co.uk/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/dominic-cummings-broke-lockdown-rules_uk_5ec82e69c5b6423c5ca9a9cb/

Whole thing reeks of bullshit.

The fact the story has, in less than 24 hours, changed from “he went to his parents house” to “his sister and nieces offered to help” shows how thick they think we all are

And Cummings also saying that police didn’t question him. So who are we supposed believe, Cummings or the police?

Yes I do think it was ok Diane.
'Healthy' people didn't actually know they were ok and quite often they weren't which would increase the risk to others. So no obviously they shouldn't be going to holiday homes, using the local services and potentially spreading it around. Self isolating in a house isn't a holiday and the rules were there in place to stop people from using the sudden free time /properties for that.

Unless there's evidence to the contrary this isn't what DC did. He didn't go out. He wasn't on holiday. He went to a home that was on the private land of his parents farm, he isolated there and didn't come into contact with others. Food was dropped off for him on the doorstep. His reason for going was so that his child could be looked after if he / his wife or both got too sick to care for her.

Yes maybe the sister could have come down and collected the child, but we don't know her own family commitments and whether this was feasible to do this. And the time it would take to travel down and collect said child may have been very problematic if their health had taken a rapid and significant turn for the worst. Clearly it would be better for the child to be with family if this happened.

I don't have a problem with anyone moving in these specific circumstances and under the conditions DC said it was in.

What do you think he should have done if they had stayed and had to seek urgent hospital admission or simply couldn't look after the child?

Jesus wept. People are actually defending this? Tory central office must be paying overtime this weekend.

The man is a dangerous toad who thinks he's intellectually superior to everyone else. Herd Immunity anyone, questionable views on eugenics, hiring people with equally questionable views, fraudulent vote leave campaign, lies about Turkey joining the EU and £350million for the NHS. How on earth has this guy got so much power and influence on our government.

What do you think he should have done if they had stayed and had to seek urgent hospital admission or simply couldn't look after the child

The guidance states that if someone is ill, they should self isolate within the house. Presumably to reduce the chances of passing the illness on.

He decided to drive in a car - an enclosed space - for 250 miles. With his ill wife and child,

If he became too ill, along with his wife, to look after his children, they should have done what other families have had to do in similar circumstances - that's why we have social services if need be and local resources.

Local is the word here. Not 250 miles.

What happens if you live by yourself and get ill? Should you move to your parents?

But at what point did they travel?

Her article says

My husband did rush home to look after me. He’s an extremely kind man, whatever people assume to the contrary. But 24 hours later, he said ‘I feel weird’ and collapsed. I felt breathless, sometimes achy, but Dom couldn’t get out of bed. Day in, day out for ten days he lay doggo with a high fever and spasms that made the muscles lump and twitch in his legs. He could breathe, but only in a limited, shallow way.

If they were both that sick, who did the driving?

Her article is a load of bullshit.