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12boo · 21/05/2020 08:46

I saw (via twitter) that a spokesperson for audible has made some unpleasant remarks about MN users and they have pulled their MN advertising after complaints from "trans activists" that MN is a hive of "transphobic bigots" so I have cancelled my audible subscription because I find MN enormously supportive and I don't want to support a company that vows so readily to the "born in the wrong body- men are women if they say so" cult.
No clear response has come from Amazon itself in this matter. Does anyone know what their position is? TIa

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EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 17:12

The one consistently bashing women. Obviously

No doubt.

LemonPudding · 22/05/2020 17:12

It really is time MNHQ told the TRAs to piss off. The tide has turned.

EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 17:21

It really is time MNHQ told the TRAs to piss off. The tide has turned.

Yep. It's incredible really isn't it, a mainly female forum gets constant scutiny from the menz, just in case we say something they don't like. How dare women say what they think eh? Yet the filth and threats many of them post on twitter, kiwi farms etc towards women is something else. Yet stating biological facts is enough to send their tiny little heads spinning, causing them to hit the report button, dox people, try to destroy mumsnets funding stream, etc etc. Mumsnet really do need to tell them to piss off.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 22/05/2020 17:23

Gosh which ones were they then? I haven't seen any posts like that today

Oh give over lol - you only need to take one quick look at the feminism board to see a hell of a lot of refusing to acknowledge as she and people calling trans people they instead.
Just one example, it's all over the board.
So you do you, but don't pretend it doesn't happen as it clearly does.

BlackberryCane · 22/05/2020 17:24

Yes but you were asked about actual transphobia.

RuffleCrow · 22/05/2020 17:26

Damn, i just subscribed to Amazon Prime. That's that cancelled, then.

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 22/05/2020 17:27

Was that to me?
I was referring to this bit
really, just today I’ve reported a number of posts for misgendering

Gosh which ones were they then? I haven't seen any posts like that today

You'd have to be blind or "nope, not happening" as to say I haven't seen any posts like that today"
As one quick look would see that's totally not the case and yes, actually, it does happen.
All the time.

RuffleCrow · 22/05/2020 17:29

You might think that's transphobic @LemonadeAndDaisyChains but equally lots of people here would call you realityphobic and themselves realists. All in all, calling people names isn't going to get us very far. Hmm

LemonadeAndDaisyChains · 22/05/2020 17:30

but equally lots of people here would call you realityphobic

Why would I be reality phobic? I agree that you can't biologically change sex, so your assumption that I'm realityphobic is a daft one.

EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 17:32

Nope I've not seen any posts like that. Nor have you, if you had you would have posted them. No evidence? Then it didn't happen.

EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 17:34

I agree that you can't biologically change sex

Don't you think transwomen are women then?

RuffleCrow · 22/05/2020 17:37

Well the reality is that we live in a society where is perfectly legal, (and in many cases necessary for the survival of women and children) to be able to identify male people correctly and refer to them by the pronouns which refer to their sex. You might not like it, but as has been established, the law around freedom of speech is not here so I can talk about cuddly kittens.

MarieIVanArkleStinks · 22/05/2020 17:47

Yep. It's incredible really isn't it, a mainly female forum gets constant scutiny from the menz, just in case we say something they don't like. How dare women say what they think eh? Yet the filth and threats many of them post on twitter, kiwi farms etc towards women is something else. Yet stating biological facts is enough to send their tiny little heads spinning, causing them to hit the report button, dox people, try to destroy mumsnets funding stream, etc etc. Mumsnet really do need to tell them to piss off.

How true this is. It's legitimized misogyny: the sort that would have made anyone uttering this kind of rhetoric persona non grata as recently as about five years ago. It's legitimized homophobia, too, bearing in mind what they have to say about lesbians. And the lengths to which they're prepared to go are really quite frightening: particularly sickening is the persistent targeting of rape crisis centres and rape victims (not least the victim blaming on Twitter and other social media. Jessica Taylor wrote a book about this. The abuse she's reported in retaliation is alarming). If even traumatised rape victims are not off limits then it tells you everything you need to know about these men. Germaine Greer was on the nail when she wrote that women have very little idea of how much men hate them.

It's particularly galling when this kind of ugly discrimination emanates from the left - the ground from which the same kind of thing has traditionally been fought in the first place. It feels like so much more of a betrayal, and in the meantime the right is rubbing its hands gloating over the (correct) assumption that the left is eating itself.

A lesbian on FWR recently stated that these days she'd feel safer at a BNP march than at Pride because at least the far right know what a lesbian is. When this becomes a widely-recognized sentiment it's a real indication of how far things have gone.

A PP suggested that the tide might be turning. I hope they're right.

Sn0tnose · 22/05/2020 18:00

De Beauvoir quite famously argued that there is no such thing as sex, only gender.

Ooh, ooh, I know this one! No she didn’t.

See? It turns out that Bollocks was the right response to your arguments after all? Who’d have thought it?

EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 18:03

A lesbian on FWR recently stated that these days she'd feel safer at a BNP march than at Pride because at least the far right know what a lesbian is.

I get that.

A PP suggested that the tide might be turning. I hope they're right.

I think the tide is turning. Without a doubt. And it's important to keep talking, campaigning and saying no. No to men in women's changing rooms. No to the transitioning of our children and inappropriate sex / gender education. No to forced speech and pronouns. No to men in women's sport. No to all of it.

EmpressoftheMundane · 22/05/2020 18:04

Mumsnet deserves a medal. Total respect for them. It’s a board for women that respects women. Brilliant!

EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 18:05

^

EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 18:05

Mumsnet deserves a medal. Total respect for them. It’s a board for women that respects women. Brilliant!

Absolutely.

Olliephaunt4eyes · 22/05/2020 18:26

Well, if MN is really The Voice of the People (tm) vs some tiny group of eeeeevil TRAs as so many FWR claim, then Amazon are making a dumb decision not advertising here and they'll suffer financially and almost certainly change their mind and return because Amazon are a major international business and will make their choices based on what makes them the most cash, as pretty much anyone could tell you by looking at their business practice.

What seems insanely pointless to me is this endless argument about 'is MN transphobic'. The FWR crowd insist they aren't, because 'it isn't transphobic to say you can't change sex', and 'I have never seen a transphobic post on FWR, just people concerned about women' and nothing will change their minds. So that's that. And a large number of other people will read those exact same posts and consider them to be transphobic, and they aren't going to change their minds because a stranger on the internet comes up with a witty rejoinder like 'it isn't a phobia. I'm not scared'.

Can we all just agree that MN is a hardcore GC space, for better or for worse, and that some companies will not wish to be associated with those particular political views and that's their choice?

Sn0tnose · 22/05/2020 18:40

😂 God no. Or gender studies courses. Don't waste your cash. Sign up to a biology course instead. Where they deal with actual proven facts.

I managed to get through my entire science GCSE without lighting a Bunsen burner once, so I think I’ll stick with learning from lurking on the FWR boards and watching the bloody wonderful MB on You Tube! Grin

EmpressoftheMundane · 22/05/2020 18:53

I don’t agree it’s a hardcore GC space. I think it represents the overwhelming majority of people on this. Most people give this very little attention. It just sounds outlandish and they shrug and think it cannot be true. It’s only when the secondary affects on safeguarding, women’s sports, free speech etc come to light that they get agitated. This stuff is starting to leach into the mainstream discourse and it’s not the old fashioned feminists who look kooky. It’s the woke police that are alarming the populace. They pushed it too far and now they are rumbled.

BlackForestCake · 22/05/2020 19:00

If you want to define reality as "hardcore GC", go right ahead.

transphobia is completely rampant on MN

Why is it that wacky gender extremists seem to think repeating a lie over and over and over somehow makes it true?

BlackberryCane · 22/05/2020 19:08

I think if MN were a hard core GC space there wouldn't be a rule against 'misgendering'.

RufustheLanglovingreindeer · 22/05/2020 19:16

The FWR crowd insist they aren't, because 'it isn't transphobic to say you can't change sex', and 'I have never seen a transphobic post on FWR,

Ive said many many times, including on this thread, thats ive reported transphobic posts...which are then deleted

Ive no problem with people saying that some mumsnet posters are transphobic, homophobic, racist etc cos obviously some are

Ive a problem with people saying that mumsnet is rampant with it and that everyone who posts on FWR is transphobic as its quite obviously not true

EstherEliza · 22/05/2020 19:18

think I’ll stick with learning from lurking on the FWR boards and watching the bloody wonderful MB on You Tube!

Sounds like a good plan 👍

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