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Neighbour problem with wild birds

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Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 08:09

We have nesting wild birds in our garden every year. My neighbour who we've been fairly friendly with for a number of years with no real issues (although has sometimes been a little selfish at times but I've let this go as don't want to create problems) asked me if I saw any abandoned eggs (sometimes happens) if she could have them so she could hatch them (I think her son was interested). I've given her a couple once I'm sure that the mother wasn't coming back.

Anyway there's a nest in our garden, with bird coming & going, but last week my neighbour says that there was another animal attacking this nest & she's taken all of the eggs - not sure how she knew this because she can't see the nest from her house. At this point I go outside to see mother bird really distressed looking for her eggs. So I knock on the neighbours door & ask if I can put the eggs back. No she tells me that the mother wouldn't accept them, I eventually persuade her to give them back as I'm worried about the mother bird & so she gives them all back (or I thought she did). I put the eggs on nest, bird sits on them & all is good.
However I am by this point annoyed that my neighbour has gone into my garden & without bothering to knock, has taken these eggs from this nest, however had made it clear we wanted them returned & she seemed to comply.

But then another turn. She sends me a message saying should she put 'the other eggs back too as she's not sure if she actually wants to hatch all of these birds' (bare in mind I thought that all of the eggs had been returned). I say yes put them back. Then I get a message with a picture of a newborn bird saying 'too late they're hatching'. This picture shows at least 6 eggs. I'm livid by this point. I ask her why she kept them & that they should be with the mother & that we don't believe in taking eggs out of nests with no good reason anyway - at the point that the mother returned that's when they needed to all go back & that the nest was in our fucking garden anyway. You get the drift.
I get a half hearted apology where she refuses to give hatched bird back to mother (I am certain that the mother bird would've accepted it) & saying that there's nothing she can do. I say well give them back now before the rest hatch. So I knock again on the door & ask for eggs back & say I'm going to phone wildlife help for advice. She reluctantly gives them (son looking disappointed in background me feeling like an ogre), I put them nest the nest mother takes them straight away & all is good again.
However I've now discovered that she kept at least 3 eggs. Her reasoning is that some are lost to predators in the wild, this totally goes against our ethics which are that the best place for these birds is with mother in wild & our role is to support but not interfere in this way. At the point that the mother bird returned & looked distressed was when they should've all gone back. I think my neighbour has been really selfish to do this & think she only wanted to bring up the birds herself for her own reasons, nothing to do with predators. My opinion has changed completely now about her & she had the opportunity to put things right & didn't.

I don't want to sound over dramatic but I'm actually feeling really violated - she was obviously watching the nest (I know she's used webcams on nests in her garden before now & the thought has crossed my mind), and am really angry that she came in, took these eggs, refused to return them, then only returned some & has really offended my ethical beliefs by objectifying these wild animals (I hear her son playing with these birds in their garden). I'm seriously pissed off.
I tried to explain this to her but she clearly thinks I'm over reacting & says things like 'its the same outcome, we'll raise them & let them go, this is what would've happened anyway except the mother would be raising them instead of us'.

So my dilemma is now I'm not able to trust my neighbour, do I try to communicate about this any longer or should I leave it. I'm aware that I could report her as I don't think what she's done is legal but it's done now. I just don't want it happening again, it's really stressed me out!

OP posts:
Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 15:20

@Veterinari good point and I don't eat eggs or anything related to animals on ethical grounds actually, and I was really upset for the mothr duck, I mean livid, and I have lived next to my neighbour for 10 years and never fallen out, or been angry with her, but this really has riled me, and I have let her know and followed some of the good advice on this thread,
are you actually a vet? I told my neighbour that I had spoken to a vet and they had told me that it is wrong to take the eggs from a nest, and try to rear the babies when there is no need as the mother is available and closeby. As well as telling her not to do this again or come into the garden. If you are a vet would you tell someone that what she did was wrong? I am just checking that I have got it right. The egg that was on the floor of my greenhouse was what is known as a 'practice egg' in the world of ducks, they lay wherever until they find a nest and a duck had left this one for at least a week, then we moved it as it was in the middle of the greenhouse (I don't think it was the same duck as the one with the nest in the other garden). I foolishly gave it to her but a lot of people do try to hatch these eggs in our village, the abandoned ones I mean, I don't know why the eggs though wouldn't hatch anyway without a mum. My ethics were overstepped with the whole taking the eggs out of the nest and then refusing to return them, I was furious and fought her for them, only later reaslising that she's only given half of them back and then having another fight over the rest (of which she kept 3 against my demands). I think that she thought that so many baby ducklings die in the wild (and they do I know I have seen the magpies that just pick them out), but still to interfere isn't on,

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LakieLady · 21/05/2020 15:25

And google says apparently ducks lay practise eggs

Amazing!

I bet some parents wish they could have done the same.Wink

LolaDarkdestroyer · 21/05/2020 15:30

This has to be a wind up wtaf?! I'd have gone mad this isn't normal behaviour.

Veterinari · 21/05/2020 15:31

It's against the wildlife and countryside act to disturb nesting birds or take eggs. You don't need to be a vet to know that and it's rather outside of the expertise of most vets as it's a biology/conservation issue rather than a medical one

WhoWants2Know · 21/05/2020 15:48

OP: I said it before and I will say it again. The three ducklings she has in her garden are going to die through predation or starvation.

They have lost the opportunity to imprint on their mother and learn from her to survive. I don't care how much your neighbour thinks she knows about birds, she can't teach them to forage, fly or migrate.

Is she planning to keep them as pets? They're wild animals, you don't get to just take them because you don't fancy paying for something that's been bred domestically.

If you don't report her, you're equally culpable for whatever happens to them.

Schoenes · 21/05/2020 15:48

@Chocolate50 Do get a different hobby.

bibbitybobbitycats · 21/05/2020 15:50

Sorry if I misunderstood Chocolate50. Poor mother duck.

PickwickThePlockingDodo · 21/05/2020 16:13

I assume those of you comparing removing eggs from females with baby stealing don't eat eggs on ethical grounds?

But those eggs are not fertilised these presumably are.

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 16:26

@WhoWants2Know yes am totally with you on this phoning the helpline x

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Veterinari · 21/05/2020 17:11

But those eggs are not fertilised these presumably are.
And do you think the hen knows/cares about that? Birds will sit on eggs regardless of whether they're fertilised.

My point was that if posters are going to compare the trauma to the mother bird to that if a mother human, I'd hope their own behaviour matches that.

Personally I don't think it's a valid comparison even though I think egg stealing from wild birds is disgusting, I'm not sure hyperbole helps.

Chocolate50 · 29/05/2020 07:26

Update - reported to local charity who said that the neighbours were totally in the wrong to remove eggs from nest & then refuse to give eggs or ducklings back. They weren't worried about the odd egg we gave them as they say there was nothing in it anyway, and the leap between that and actually removing the eggs from a nest is huge anyway.
They said that ducklings need to be back with mum (I heard neighbours children playing with ducklings in the garden whilst the mother duck was freaking out about it on the other side of the garden) or go to a proper rescue like themselves. They've relayed this to neighbours. Charity advised that if they don't hand them over to report to police.
Neighbours have unfriended me on FB lol.

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YinMnBlue · 29/05/2020 07:35

Good move OP!

Really terrible to be treating wild ducklings as toys for her kids Angry

Nottherealslimshady · 29/05/2020 07:36

Its downright illegal! Call the police! You are not allowed to take eggs from wild nests!

The chances of the mum looking after the chicks that vanished and reappeared smelling of humans is not great. You need to keep a close eye on them.
God I'd be fuming. Can you stop her getting access to your garden? Never give her any eggs.

Nottherealslimshady · 29/05/2020 07:41

Didn't realise I'd used so many exclamation marks Blush

Kittenlicker · 29/05/2020 07:45

Well done OP. Hope she realises that’s she’s acting badly.

LakieLady · 29/05/2020 07:59

I think I hate your neighbour, OP. Angry

I hope you do report her, and she gets fined and shamed in the local press. And shunned by everyone locally, and ends up moving because of the shame.

We have two robins in our garden, one of which is very bold and stands on the back door step watching us through the open kitchen door. If anyone did anything to harm their young, I'd be heartbroken. And livid.

I don't think I'd be responsible for my actions tbh.

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