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Neighbour problem with wild birds

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Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 08:09

We have nesting wild birds in our garden every year. My neighbour who we've been fairly friendly with for a number of years with no real issues (although has sometimes been a little selfish at times but I've let this go as don't want to create problems) asked me if I saw any abandoned eggs (sometimes happens) if she could have them so she could hatch them (I think her son was interested). I've given her a couple once I'm sure that the mother wasn't coming back.

Anyway there's a nest in our garden, with bird coming & going, but last week my neighbour says that there was another animal attacking this nest & she's taken all of the eggs - not sure how she knew this because she can't see the nest from her house. At this point I go outside to see mother bird really distressed looking for her eggs. So I knock on the neighbours door & ask if I can put the eggs back. No she tells me that the mother wouldn't accept them, I eventually persuade her to give them back as I'm worried about the mother bird & so she gives them all back (or I thought she did). I put the eggs on nest, bird sits on them & all is good.
However I am by this point annoyed that my neighbour has gone into my garden & without bothering to knock, has taken these eggs from this nest, however had made it clear we wanted them returned & she seemed to comply.

But then another turn. She sends me a message saying should she put 'the other eggs back too as she's not sure if she actually wants to hatch all of these birds' (bare in mind I thought that all of the eggs had been returned). I say yes put them back. Then I get a message with a picture of a newborn bird saying 'too late they're hatching'. This picture shows at least 6 eggs. I'm livid by this point. I ask her why she kept them & that they should be with the mother & that we don't believe in taking eggs out of nests with no good reason anyway - at the point that the mother returned that's when they needed to all go back & that the nest was in our fucking garden anyway. You get the drift.
I get a half hearted apology where she refuses to give hatched bird back to mother (I am certain that the mother bird would've accepted it) & saying that there's nothing she can do. I say well give them back now before the rest hatch. So I knock again on the door & ask for eggs back & say I'm going to phone wildlife help for advice. She reluctantly gives them (son looking disappointed in background me feeling like an ogre), I put them nest the nest mother takes them straight away & all is good again.
However I've now discovered that she kept at least 3 eggs. Her reasoning is that some are lost to predators in the wild, this totally goes against our ethics which are that the best place for these birds is with mother in wild & our role is to support but not interfere in this way. At the point that the mother bird returned & looked distressed was when they should've all gone back. I think my neighbour has been really selfish to do this & think she only wanted to bring up the birds herself for her own reasons, nothing to do with predators. My opinion has changed completely now about her & she had the opportunity to put things right & didn't.

I don't want to sound over dramatic but I'm actually feeling really violated - she was obviously watching the nest (I know she's used webcams on nests in her garden before now & the thought has crossed my mind), and am really angry that she came in, took these eggs, refused to return them, then only returned some & has really offended my ethical beliefs by objectifying these wild animals (I hear her son playing with these birds in their garden). I'm seriously pissed off.
I tried to explain this to her but she clearly thinks I'm over reacting & says things like 'its the same outcome, we'll raise them & let them go, this is what would've happened anyway except the mother would be raising them instead of us'.

So my dilemma is now I'm not able to trust my neighbour, do I try to communicate about this any longer or should I leave it. I'm aware that I could report her as I don't think what she's done is legal but it's done now. I just don't want it happening again, it's really stressed me out!

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SoupDragon · 21/05/2020 08:38

How many eggs were there? She gave back what you thought was all of them,then gave back a further 6 (Including one hatched) but Still had 3?

SoupDragon · 21/05/2020 08:39

(Obviously she is totally in the wrong)

Isawamagpie · 21/05/2020 08:39

What on earth is this? People actually behave this way towards wildlife?!
I have bluetits nest and robins, I won't even get close to the nests for fear of disruption and nests being abandoned!
If she has webcam nest boxes, surely you can watch the eggs hatch? I don't see why she wants to hatch herself? I wasn't even aware that people might even think they can do this stuff.

I wouldnt communicate any longer on the matter, whats done is done, and keep going over it will sour your relationship with neighbour even more. However i would make it very clear in no uncertain terms that she is not to enter your garden again, or disrupt nesting birds, and she will be doing a hell of alot harm doing what she's done.

Poor mama bird, as if its not hard enough for wildlife out there with habitat loss, preditors etc - now selfish humans messing around in nests for thier own entertainment purposes- i though humans were past kind of behaviour since the 1880!

Absolutely bizarre and disturbing and im gutted for the wildlife around this neighbour. Youre so lucky to have birds nesting near.

-just to add my DS (6) is amazed by our blue tit nest box and we would watch parent bird come and go, feed live meal worms to baby grew up strong, listen to them as they grew up, saw them fledge- at no point would I have ever though, oh let's go steal the eggs for DS. Its just beyond crazy!

charlestonchaplin · 21/05/2020 08:40

She’s an egg stealer and you’re a nest tamperer. Just leave the nests alone. Some of your statements make me wonder whether you have messed about with these birds nests in the past because you seem very sure about what the birds will and won’t do.

DdraigGoch · 21/05/2020 08:41

I'd be reporting her.

ArthurMrdr2 · 21/05/2020 08:42

She cant just ignore the neighbour she needs to report. Otherwise she will keep removing eggs whenever she sees a nest.

Flymetothetoon · 21/05/2020 08:47

This can't be in the U.K. or true

NaturalBornWoman · 21/05/2020 08:47

How many eggs were there? She gave back what you thought was all of them,then gave back a further 6 (Including one hatched) but Still had 3?

You beat me to it!

What kind of bird was this to lay such an enormous clutch @Chocolate50? It’s a very odd tale for sure, unbelievable really.

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 08:49

@BubblesBuddy no I think you've misunderstood, we never removed any eggs, my neighbor did, we put them back for mother bird. She (mother) took them back straight away. I would never take the eggs, it's not ok to do this. The most I would do is (as she chose to nest in our garden) make sure she's as safe as possible by making sure cat's don't go near etc. By the way the ones we put back all hatched & so I know that the one's that my neighbour kept would've done too. I hope that's clearer!

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Flymetothetoon · 21/05/2020 08:51

Reported

AJPTaylor · 21/05/2020 08:51

We have had various nesting birds for years in various gardens, both nests in trees and in boxes. It has never once occurred to me to try and "rescue" eggs that have been abandoned. That's just nature. You are both odd. Your neighbour more than you.
Put a sturdy lock on your gate and leave her to it.

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 08:53

Yes there were 12 eggs @NaturalBornWoman they are wild ducks & they come back to our garden every year. We just try to make sure nest is safe & keep cat's away etc, put a bit of water nearby. They leave about 10 hours after they've hatched, they did all hatch (the ones we put back that our neighbour has taken) so the mother at least had some

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user1495884620 · 21/05/2020 08:54

no I think you've misunderstood, we never removed any eggs, my neighbor did, we put them back for mother bird.

But in your OP, you say:

I've given her a couple once I'm sure that the mother wasn't coming back.

Seems quite clear that you have also taken eggs.

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 08:57

@AJPTaylor these are wild ducks, there's absolutely loads in our area & they lay the odd egg before they decide where to nest properly. We found one in our greenhouse which had been abandoned (we left it for a few days). They tend to lay about 12 & sit on them for a few weeks before they hatch. The odd one I found I gave to her but only when I knew that the mother wasn't coming back & she was nesting elsewhere. Hope that's clearer!

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timeforawine · 21/05/2020 08:58

I think for future you need to make sure she cannot enter your garden and also set up a camera to catch her in case she does so you can report her.
She's a total idiot and those poor chicks are now likely to die.

ArthurMrdr2 · 21/05/2020 08:59

So are you going to report your neighbour?

dontdisturbmenow · 21/05/2020 08:59

I would write a letter/email, summarising the situation and clearly stating that regardless of what happened, she had no right to come into your garden and should instead have contacted you.

Say that you will not accept her walking in your garden again and that you will not be giving any eggs in the future.

Say that you want to put this incident behind, forget about it and continue to have good neighbourly relationship.

Queenoftheashes · 21/05/2020 09:00

Since stealing these eggs is illegal I would call the police and ask them to return the hatchling and eggs.
Your neighbour is an insane dickhead.

RedHelenB · 21/05/2020 09:01

It is illegal to take eggs from a nest so you have both broken the law. HTH, tale makes more sense now it's duck eggs we're talking about,

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 09:01

@user1495884620 these are wild ducks, there's absolutely loads in our area & they lay the odd egg before they decide where to nest properly. We found one in our greenhouse which had been abandoned (we left it for a few days). They tend to lay about 12 & sit on them for a few weeks before they hatch. The odd one I found I gave to her but only when I knew that the mother wasn't coming back & she was nesting elsewhere. Hope that's clearer!

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BossAssBitch · 21/05/2020 09:01

This is such an odd post. Both of you, leave the bloody birds alone ffs Confused

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 09:02

@RedHelenB actually no as I've said the egg I found was in the greenhouse no nest just on the floor! This was an abandoned egg. Hope that's clearer!

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Oilyoilyoilgob · 21/05/2020 09:03

Both weirdos, both acting illegally. Hope to god for the wildlife sake this is a fake post.

tenlittlecygnets · 21/05/2020 09:04

Report her to the pollice. Stealing eggs from nests is a crime. She sounds batshit. Don't engage any more with her.

Asking for eggs to rear is bonkers in itself and should have raised red flags.

See www.askthe.police.uk/content/Q15.htm

clayspaniel · 21/05/2020 09:04

That’s so upsetting. I think you should report her to the police (a pp posted a link up thread) and contact the RSPB.

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