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Neighbour problem with wild birds

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Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 08:09

We have nesting wild birds in our garden every year. My neighbour who we've been fairly friendly with for a number of years with no real issues (although has sometimes been a little selfish at times but I've let this go as don't want to create problems) asked me if I saw any abandoned eggs (sometimes happens) if she could have them so she could hatch them (I think her son was interested). I've given her a couple once I'm sure that the mother wasn't coming back.

Anyway there's a nest in our garden, with bird coming & going, but last week my neighbour says that there was another animal attacking this nest & she's taken all of the eggs - not sure how she knew this because she can't see the nest from her house. At this point I go outside to see mother bird really distressed looking for her eggs. So I knock on the neighbours door & ask if I can put the eggs back. No she tells me that the mother wouldn't accept them, I eventually persuade her to give them back as I'm worried about the mother bird & so she gives them all back (or I thought she did). I put the eggs on nest, bird sits on them & all is good.
However I am by this point annoyed that my neighbour has gone into my garden & without bothering to knock, has taken these eggs from this nest, however had made it clear we wanted them returned & she seemed to comply.

But then another turn. She sends me a message saying should she put 'the other eggs back too as she's not sure if she actually wants to hatch all of these birds' (bare in mind I thought that all of the eggs had been returned). I say yes put them back. Then I get a message with a picture of a newborn bird saying 'too late they're hatching'. This picture shows at least 6 eggs. I'm livid by this point. I ask her why she kept them & that they should be with the mother & that we don't believe in taking eggs out of nests with no good reason anyway - at the point that the mother returned that's when they needed to all go back & that the nest was in our fucking garden anyway. You get the drift.
I get a half hearted apology where she refuses to give hatched bird back to mother (I am certain that the mother bird would've accepted it) & saying that there's nothing she can do. I say well give them back now before the rest hatch. So I knock again on the door & ask for eggs back & say I'm going to phone wildlife help for advice. She reluctantly gives them (son looking disappointed in background me feeling like an ogre), I put them nest the nest mother takes them straight away & all is good again.
However I've now discovered that she kept at least 3 eggs. Her reasoning is that some are lost to predators in the wild, this totally goes against our ethics which are that the best place for these birds is with mother in wild & our role is to support but not interfere in this way. At the point that the mother bird returned & looked distressed was when they should've all gone back. I think my neighbour has been really selfish to do this & think she only wanted to bring up the birds herself for her own reasons, nothing to do with predators. My opinion has changed completely now about her & she had the opportunity to put things right & didn't.

I don't want to sound over dramatic but I'm actually feeling really violated - she was obviously watching the nest (I know she's used webcams on nests in her garden before now & the thought has crossed my mind), and am really angry that she came in, took these eggs, refused to return them, then only returned some & has really offended my ethical beliefs by objectifying these wild animals (I hear her son playing with these birds in their garden). I'm seriously pissed off.
I tried to explain this to her but she clearly thinks I'm over reacting & says things like 'its the same outcome, we'll raise them & let them go, this is what would've happened anyway except the mother would be raising them instead of us'.

So my dilemma is now I'm not able to trust my neighbour, do I try to communicate about this any longer or should I leave it. I'm aware that I could report her as I don't think what she's done is legal but it's done now. I just don't want it happening again, it's really stressed me out!

OP posts:
minisoksmakehardwork · 21/05/2020 09:51

Didn't have your updates before I posted.

I can see how you mean abandoned eggs and I don't think you were wrong to move them if they had been found in the middle of a walkway or whatever. I don't know if they move them if they lay away from the nest.

But in anycase, ducks lay every couple of days like most birds rather than a whole clutch in one go so your neighbour is being very unfair to have disturbed them like this. I would have no hesitation in reporting her.

And I feel incredibly guilty that I found what appears to be an abandoned robins nest in our garden and am wondering if we caused that.

LEELULUMPKIN · 21/05/2020 09:53

"tbh I would be concerned that by giving her eggs you could be seen as complicit in her actions"

Exactly and last time I checked, ignorance is no defence in law.

Utter idiots, both the OP and NDN.

Soubriquet · 21/05/2020 09:57

Animals do have a 6th sense when it comes to their offspring and there is usually a good reason eggs/young are abandoned.

You should not have given her the egg

She should not have taken the eggs.

What she is doing is illegal. If she wants to hatch ducks, she needs to go and buy them

minisoksmakehardwork · 21/05/2020 09:58

And google says apparently ducks lay practise eggs before they get around to nesting properly! Which is probably the random ones you find. Ducks are also known to move their eggs and eject eggs from nests if they are 'bad' so if they're still there after a few days then they're no good anyway.

WhoWants2Know · 21/05/2020 10:00

Does she not understand that humans can't just hatch eggs and release hatchlings into the wild without them starving or being immediately eaten by predators?

They need to imprint on an adult duck to learn how to survive, and what she's done is allowed them to imprint on a human. They now won't survive without being cared for by humans, and it doesn't sound like she knows how to keep ducks.

The RSPB will need to come and get them from her and try to find a sanctuary for them.

zingally · 21/05/2020 10:04

Frankly, you're both weird.

You enabled this problem in the first place by letting her have the eggs you were "sure" the mother had abandoned. Honestly, how were you sure? Were you watching the nest 24h a day?

I wouldn't have thought you could do much about her having them now, as you have messed with nests in the past. That poor mother bird, leave them the hell alone in future, let this be a lesson to you, and neighbour-proof your garden.

AcrobaticCardigan · 21/05/2020 10:05

I can’t understand why she thinks this is acceptable behaviour. The young birds would surely die once hatched without their mother. What a horrible horrible woman. No idea why anyone would think this is a fun activity. Have her done for trespassing as well as reporting her for disrupting the nests.

fuckinghellthisshit · 21/05/2020 10:07

Fucking hell, call teh RSPB and leave wild animals alone. WTF is the matter with people in the UK.

Raindancer411 · 21/05/2020 10:09

I would report as she needs to know what she did was illegal. If she still has the ducklings they need to be taken away. The son also needs educating.

Cheekychops73 · 21/05/2020 10:15

What the fuck have I just read? You are both a pair of fucking clowns who the hell are you to give away "abandoned eggs"? Both of you need reported to RSPB leave the birds alone.

Dita73 · 21/05/2020 10:31

Someone please tell me this is a wind up

YinMnBlue · 21/05/2020 10:31

OP;

Will the ducks have a second brood this year?

You need to find a way to tell your neighbour in formal terms that it is not acceptable to come on to your property, and that as removing eggs is against the law, you will never agree to this happening on your property.

Tell her that you might have given her the wrong impression by giving her the egg that was on the greenhouse floor, but that that was totally different from removing eggs from the nest, and that in future you will not be doing anything g more than protecting the nest from the cats.

Tell her that in view if the law against egg removal, you will be obliged to tell the police if she comes in to your property uninvited again.

You can put all this politely, in terms of re-setting after a misunderstanding (the greenhouse egg)

HaddawayAndShite · 21/05/2020 10:38

At what point does someone see a supposedly abandoned egg and think “I’ll give that to the neighbour”...
this is all kinds of weird and creepy. Stop fucking about with birds eggs. Tell your neighbour if she goes in your garden again you’ll report her for trespassing and illegally disturbing nesting birds.
Oh and get a new hobby.

WhatCFeryIsThis · 21/05/2020 10:48

@zingally and info for anyone else who hasn't RTFT,

OP has clarified that the 'abandoned' eggs were duck eggs and were not in or anywhere near a nest, they were on the floor singularly. PP found on google that ducks are actually known to lay 'Practice' eggs before finding the place they actually want to build their nest. So this makes more sense and OP did not ever remove an egg from a nest.

OP later accepts that she can see that by giving NDN these abandoned eggs, she has potentially encouraged NDN to continue with this behaviour and subsequently go on to steal eggs from an actual nest.

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 10:50

@UnfinishedSymphon yes I did give her the wrong impression by giving her an abandoned egg. It was in the middle of our greenhouse floor & was there for a few days & she wasn't coming back for it. I agree that it wasn't quite right but totally different than taking a whole clutch from a nesting mother's

OP posts:
Schoenes · 21/05/2020 11:42

if I saw any abandoned eggs (sometimes happens) if she could have them so she could hatch them (I think her son was interested). I've given her a couple once Just leave the birds alone, you are no better than "the neighbour".

Chocolate50 · 21/05/2020 12:10

@WhatCFeryIsThis thank you for clarifying this. Yes there was just one & it was bang in the middle of the greenhouse but it didn't strike me as dangerous because I knew after a few days she wasn't coming back (I think was about a week actually) & had moved it to under a wheelbarrow just in case. But it wouldn't have hatched on its own. I wouldn't have linked this at the time to giving the message that it was ok to actually remove a whole batch of eggs from a nesting bird, and then lie about how many there were when she only gave half back.
Sadly a lot of baby ducks do get lost in the wild I've seen a lot of baby ducklings just get snatched by crows etc but still feel strongly about not interfering. Supporting maybe (like making sure they can get across the road or something) but a huge step too far removing them like that.

OP posts:
Cheekychops73 · 21/05/2020 12:18

Am surprised it hatched after a week if it was not being brooded or turned. Very unusual.

Schoenes · 21/05/2020 12:20

I've given her a couple once or Yes there was just one Could you try to make up your mind?

SusanneLinder · 21/05/2020 12:26

You are both cruel for disturbing a birds nest, as well as it being illegal and against the law. I actually can't believe this post, are you both crazy? Those poor birds...Angry

Bibijayne · 21/05/2020 12:28

Please report her to RSPB. She is being cruel AND breaking the law.

redskittleorangeskittle · 21/05/2020 12:30

I would have reported the vile woman to the police for trespassing on your property and disturbing nesting birds. You've enabled her behaviour.

That poor mother duck.

redskittleorangeskittle · 21/05/2020 12:32

Did you allow her to keep the first hatched chick?

PrincessHoneysuckle · 21/05/2020 12:34

So is this right?

You let woman from next door have a random "unwanted " egg for poor little Sebastian who loves nature then she took the piss and stole eggs from the nest in your garden.

Both in the wrong.

bibbitybobbitycats · 21/05/2020 12:38

I know there are far more terrible things happening in the world at the moment, but this is so bloody upsetting. I hope it is a wind up.

You both need to leave the birds, their nests and eggs alone.

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