Second wave brigade

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Why are so many amendment on a second wave? If we keep to the rules there will be no second wave! It's an excuse to be lapse with the rules!

Well, there is some hope that the virus will mutate into a weaker strain as this isn’t uncommon.

But either way there will always be epidemics if COVID stays around, and people will still die of it, just as they die of flu.

The doomsayers are gagging for a second wave. They'll be disappointed if we don't have one.

So we should all stay locked up until the virus vanishes or 100% are vaccinated against it? That may be never.

Isn't it to try and time it to get the second wave to hit in the summer so when flu season hits, they're just dealing with flu and not flu plus corona?

But how does a wave during the summer do anything to achieve that? The reasons a winter wave is likely are that people will be spending more time indoors (so easier for it to spread) and people infected with coronavirus might assume it's flu instead and not self-isolate. Those reasons don't go away just because the second wave has already happened. The only difference will be labelling it the third wave, instead of the second one.

The doomsayers are gagging for a second wave. They'll be disappointed if we don't have one.

Don't be ridiculous.

Constant lockdowns aren’t going to be possible. It’s just not sustainable to keep the world in lockdown for an un-determined amount of time,and there will come a point where the world’s citizens refuse to comply.

IMO there is going to have to come a point where we will just have to take our chances.

The doomsayers are gagging for a second wave. They'll be disappointed if we don't have one.

Yep and they absolutely love sharing that graph about the Spanish flu that Piers Morgan - who unbeknownst to most of us is actually a world-renowned expert in virology - is so fond of.

The same people eagerly anticipating the thought of a 'spike' 2 weeks after the VE Day street parties. The same 'spike' that didn't happen after Easter.

I'm not 'gagging for a second wave' ffs what a stupid thing to say.

I'm terrified.

The ‘second wave’ of 70 cases in France is literally 70 cases that due to the incubation period meant that these people would have all been infected before the schools went back. This is not linked to the schools going back but says more to people just reading the headline and not the article.

Isn't it to try and time it to get the second wave to hit in the summer so when flu season hits, they're just dealing with flu and not flu plus corona?

But why will a second wave in the summer prevent a third wave in the winter? Unless once you have had it you are immune, which may not be the case.

It’s 70 cases out of 1.4m children in France who have gone back to school and they have shut those schools to prevent it becoming a ‘wave’. Hardly panic stations.

Its already started in France. 70 new cases linked to children going back to school
70 cases is hardly a ripple, let alone a wave

Exactly @IcedPurple !

If we can get track and trace, antibody tests and eventually a vaccine, this virus will be less of a threat. But we are not there yet.
Lockdown was just a blunt instrument to contain the virus as much as possible until we got our act together.
Unfortunately the UK was late in starting this process, particularly wrt testing and contact tracing and also wrt quarantine and international travel.

There haven’t been any second waves. There has been a rise in infections in some parts,but nothing compared to how it has been.

This.
People stating as fact on twitter, that "every country that has eased lockdown has seen a second wave".
But look at the charts. No country has seen a second wave.
A dozen cases here or there, as part of a downward trajectory maybe, but certainly not a wave.

hopefully there will be more tests that could be available off the shelf so that we can get early warning and strictly self isolate and some of the new drugs to help symptoms will be there to help as well .

I want to give you just one example of the press misleading the public. in one daily paper there were the usual dramatic headlines ( right near the beginning of lockdown) GOVERNMENT IGNORES OFF ERS OF INSTANT CHEAP TESTS . And an article about a british company who had offered tests but had heard nothing back . So we as a company investigated all seemed ok - no money up front - reputable lab so we ordered some . Guess what we don't have the tests yet - there was a worldwide shortage of something they needed and massive demand they could not meet . And also more hoops they needed to do to get the tests independently validated ( which they have been now) . So there you go - how unusual a daily paper slagging off the government when in fact the "truth" was a lot more complicated .

But when these tests do come out they should be cheap enough for regular testing so I do believe that might help .

it could happen if and when travel restrictions are lifted - unless there are robust systems at all airports ?

There needs to be a serious press enquiry after this. The way the media have behaved is disgraceful, they’re largely responsible for the amount of panic, and dare I say it,the impact on the mental health of many people because of the fear and misinformation they have been spreading.

Just posted this on another thread, but it seems relevant here too. How the dreaded "second wave" is entirely avoidable without having to continue with lockdown forever

I'm shocked by the totally petrified brigade. There may be small increases in numbers as measures are relaxed but no;t;hing anywhere else in the world indicates a tsunami coming. Some people seem to enjoy restrictions and being locked up. You can see from the situation in the care homes the sort of conditions the virus flourishes in. It doesn't really matter at all if thousands of people flock to the beaches, so long as they are over 1m apart they will be safe. it is the people who are inviting others into their houses that are really at risk.

There will obviously be a second wave, and a third, and others.

On what basis do you think there won’t? This has only ever been about slowing the curve. It isn’t just magically going to vanish overnight?

Mexico etc are getting hit now. As long as there are people travelling there are going to be waves and infection hotspots all over the world for years to come or until they vaccinate everyone on the planet on the same day and simultaneously put the whole world on lockdown for a few weeks.

I'm not part of a stupid fucking brigade.

Yes, we will see numbers go up. No, this isn't the second wave. Our government have been monumentally crap at containing the virus so far and unless something changes with that then yes, there will likely be a second wave.

On what basis do you think there won’t?

I guess it depends what you mean by wave. If you think 70 cases out of millions, or 100 in South Korea is a wave, then yes, a wave is inevitable.

Well, I will likely be flamed for this, but IMO a lot of the issues in care homes are of their own making.

They’re privately run, on the whole they’re only interested in the bottom line,charging exorbitant prices, there is in fact a lot of opinion that the privately run care homes should have been responsible for sourcing their own PPE, although I understand there was some central issue with regards to that.

Government run ones are a separate issue,but I think that this raises a lot of questions over the adequacy of private care.

Second wave is definitely coming - how could it not be?

We've been all been locked away for weeks and anyone who managed to avoid it the first time round will now have another go.

Don't use up your loo roll and pantry stocks. You'll be needing them again shortly.