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To ask whether anyone who voted Conservative regrets it now?

760 replies

Lifestyleinlondon88 · 16/05/2020 18:40

I would very curious to see if anyone would have voted differently, or if they had the chance to change their vote now would you?

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KenDodd · 18/05/2020 10:10

I bet there's still nobody with any regrets or criticism is there op?
Tory voters are loyal to the death (literally at the moment) it doesn't matter how badly this has been handled or how many people die, they will NEVER abandon Boris. I really can't understand why. If I'd voted Tory and watched this shambles I would definitely wish someone else was in charge, same as I would if I'd voted Labour and they were presiding over this mess. I don't know what it is with them though, maybe because Boris was funny on hignfy (he was, he was really good on that) or we're all allowed to be a bit racist now. Anyway, for some reason they love him and he can do no wrong.

And before anyone throws Corbyn at me, I haven't voted Labour for years. I used to vote Labour, I was even a party member (not active) for a short time. Then we had the Iraq war. I marched against it and wrote to my MP and the PM protesting against it, not in my name, cancelled my membership etc. Did I regret my vote? Absolutely I did. I vowed it would be a long time before I voted Labour again. I think I'm just about ready to vote for them again now that Corbyn's gone.

Despite my intense dislike of Corbyn, I actually think he would have handled this better (partly because it would be really hard to do a worse job). I don't think he would have entertained a herd immunity policy, I think he would have been quicker to lockdown (lives over money) this I think ironically would have been cheaper than waiting like Boris did. I think he would have attended meetings and not gone on holiday and taken help where offered (EU) instead of loudly giving contacts to big Tory donors (that failed to deliver). Also I think he would have copied other countries in checks on air passengers and closing routes. Of course I have no prove of any of this, just as the posters claiming he would be worse. The difference is though, I'm willing to admit I don't really know unlike the, Tory to the death (more likely your nans death) who will insist Boris and co are doing a better job than anyone else despite the highest deaths in Europe.

ITonyah · 18/05/2020 10:10

He managed an upper second from Oxbridge

What now? A 2:1 from Oxbridge 35 years ago isn't impressive?

KenDodd · 18/05/2020 10:14

What now? A 2:1 from Oxbridge 35 years ago isn't impressive?

I think it's impressive! He's still been completely incompetent handling CV and lies constantly.

saints2020 · 18/05/2020 10:14

The people we should reserve our ire for are the Conservative members who voted for Mr Johnson.

I believe if Jeremy Hunt had been chosen as Tory leader there would still have been a Tory majority in Parliament. However, he would have reacted quicker to the pandemic and fewer people would have died.

Alsohuman · 18/05/2020 10:17

I don’t know why we keep hypothesising about what another PM might have done. We’ve got Johnson and his shitshow. Where is he anyway? Has anyone seen hide or hair of him since last Sunday?

KuckFnows · 18/05/2020 10:23

The left make me rage.

You have your usual nasty nasty smoke and mirrors tactics and the appalling evil comments you write about the right wing government on here, and yet have the audacity to proclaim to be the caring and kind party.

Utter bollocks

NoMorePoliticsPlease · 18/05/2020 10:25

What a goady infantile thread OP

Rowantree2020 · 18/05/2020 10:26

I actually don’t think it’s particularly impressive measured against the resources thrown at him. Effectively he did quite well in the race, but he started hundreds of yards ahead of most other runners. Oxbridge has always been populated by a fair share of pretty mediocre intellects punching above their weight thanks to the benefits of private education.

NoMorePoliticsPlease · 18/05/2020 10:27

@KuckFnows

yes, you are right the caring sharing party strikes again. Where is Tony Blair when you need another war? Oh yes we dont need one MN will keep poking sticks

KenDodd · 18/05/2020 10:34

ITonyah

They didnt care about all the unnecessary deaths and suffering over the last decade why would they care about more now

It was comments like these that made me glad I voted Tory tbh.

Why would comments like that make you glad you voted Tory?

I don't know about you not caring about people dying, but it's certainly true that austerity killed. I couldn't vote for a party that enabled that and somebody pointing out the deaths definitely wouldn't make me glad I'd voted for them. Life expectancy in some communities has REDUCED under the Tories, this should never happen.

www.bmj.com/company/newsroom/health-and-social-care-spending-cuts-linked-to-120000-excess-deaths-in-england/

Alsohuman · 18/05/2020 10:37

the appalling evil comments you write about the right wing government on here, and yet have the audacity to proclaim to be the caring and kind party

So we’re supposed to say nice things about the government that’s fucked up the handling of the worst crisis to hit us in 80 years to prove we’re caring and kind? How caring and kind was it to allow the infection of care homes and kill thousands of old, vulnerable people? People in glass houses and all that.

ITonyah · 18/05/2020 10:38

Oxbridge has always been populated by a fair share of pretty mediocre intellects punching above their weight thanks to the benefits of private education

This is gibberish.

Alsohuman · 18/05/2020 10:39

It’s true.

ITonyah · 18/05/2020 10:40

It's true if you don't respect Oxbridge and hate private education, yes.

Alsohuman · 18/05/2020 10:45

It’s either true or it’s not. Truth is an absolute. Not that I’d expect someone who venerates one of the biggest liars in history to recognise that.

itsaweddingone · 18/05/2020 10:50

Don’t regret it.

Do you think Labour would have managed to stop a pandemic? Or do a better job at handling it?

I bloody don’t.

ITonyah · 18/05/2020 10:50

In that case, its also true that private education is far more effective than state education so has the ability to turn a "mediocre intellect" (whatever that means) into a questioning, confident mind.

Obviously not in all cases, some are beyond saving (see Jeremy Corbyn and his 2 Es at A level despite his own private education).

KenDodd · 18/05/2020 10:51

I'm impressed by a 2.1 from Oxford, it certainly suggests he's intelligent to me. It then raises the question why has Boris handled this crisis so badly then? Maybe he just didn't care about it? That theory would seem to be backed up by the two week holiday in February, shortly after his Caribbean holiday (who paid for that???) and him not attending the first five COBRA meetings.

KuckFnows · 18/05/2020 10:51

Alsohuman

And labour have provided a solution have they??? Smoke and mirrors are the tactics used and persistent criticism, as well as political point scoring.

Hindsight is a fucking wonderful thing and I repeat, I am absolutely thankful to fuck that Jeremy and Diane are not leading us through this once in a century global pandemic.

itsaweddingone · 18/05/2020 10:53

@Alsohuman

We cannot say that other governments would have been able to stop this.

Italy, France and Spain have a similar death toll to us (some have more deaths per 1m people) - and we won’t really see any true comparable as until we are out the other side.

There are a few countries that have managed this well (so far) but on the whole, the majority of countries were wildly underprepared for a pandemic. A different government would have made minimal difference.

itsaweddingone · 18/05/2020 10:55

@KenDodd

Historically PMs don’t attend COBRA meetings. This information is easily available - don’t believe everything you read on social media or the DM.

Lweji · 18/05/2020 10:57

A different government would have made minimal difference.

It would have made a big difference, actually.
Only by starting containment measures consistently earlier, by one or two weeks. That's all.

itsaweddingone · 18/05/2020 10:58

@KuckFnows

Agreed.

If Labour has been in (but they weren’t, because people didn’t have enough faith in them to vote for them) it would be interesting to see their supporters justify their tatics.

Always easier to be on the opposition during times like this, so easy to criticise and have no pressure to actually do a better job. Which could apply to Labour or the MN armchair experts.

ITonyah · 18/05/2020 10:59

But would we have stuck at it if it had started earlier? Look how people are rebelling against lockdown now!

And the crisis in care homes would have been exactly the same as hospitals would have still refused to take them, or sent them back as they have been doing. That is the biggest scandal in this whole crisis afaic.

itsaweddingone · 18/05/2020 11:00

@Lweji

They didn’t because no one would have followed them.

Half the people on here still didn’t see Covid as an imminent or serious threat two weeks before lockdown.