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To think it’s about time @MNHQ stepped up and did something about the teacher bashing.

882 replies

SachaStark · 16/05/2020 00:08

This evening has been AWFUL here on the AIBU board.

@MNHQ, at what point do you actually plan to intervene and do something about the sheer number of teacher bashing threads, and individual posts? Should we expect any kind of moderation?

Or, is this in fact, “all in the spirit of Mumsnet”? Because at the moment, you’re making it look a darn sight like you agree by proxy.

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HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 16:55

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HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 16:57

But if the government advisors say they will be fairly safe (comparably safe to other jobs, activities) why do teachers refuse to believe that

They said that about front line staff and many contracted Covid and hindered died from Covid and many of those had PPE

Do you really believe everything the government tells you too?

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 16:58

*hundreds

LemonPudding · 18/05/2020 17:04

But if the government advisors say they will be fairly safe (comparably safe to other jobs, activities) why do teachers refuse to believe that

Because the BMA (you know, doctors) say it isn't. I go with the doctors.

Lemonblast · 18/05/2020 17:33

Interesting Haud.
The MN party line up until now has been that HCPs are no more at risk that the general public and any suggestion about a dead HCP contacting COVID on the front line is countered with the that they were probably infected in Tesco.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 17:41

Re-posted

From what I Gather from the teachers posts is that that teachers need to take a step back and take the personal out of it.

When an OP starts a thread regarding her child’s teacher, they are talking about THEIR child teacher and not generalising the profession as a whole, it’s simply regarding their personal experience and their child.

When an OP like this one has started a thread as their children’s education is. It being met it that the provisions given (or not in some cases) AGAIN does not mean she is generalising about the teaching profession as a whole. Its simply HER experience and her issue with that individual teacher or school.

I’ve had my own professional bashing’s threads in my previous career as a social worker (EDT child protection) in that all social workers are crap, however as a professional you know that this isn’t the case and that it’s just that individuals experience/opinion.

I see very few threads On MN that an OP’s starts a thread that “All teachers are crap” because the reality is, this isn’t being said at all.

What I do see however as of late is that parents are frustrated that their child’s education/issues are not being met or handled sufficiently.... and when voicing their concerns they are then told at times aggressively “yet another teacher bashing thread” when the reality and content of the post is nothing of the sort.

Just because an OP starts a thread or another poster joins in to comments on THEIR similar experience etc... does not also equate to a whole profession being generalised.

Some from what I see and read on here don’t want any teacher threads being stared at all, unfortunately with any professions you get the good and bad and I’m afraid to say teachers aren’t above approach.

I’ve met some shockingly awful lazy teachers who allow their bias to get in the way, equally I’ve met some amazing teachers who do a wonderful job.

It’s content that matters.

SmileEachDay · 18/05/2020 17:46

Haud

That is your perception of the situation. You’re entitled to that.

It’s different to mine.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 18:07

That is your perception of the situation. You’re entitled to that

That is your opinion and of course anyone is entitled to their opinion.

I will however agree to disagree, it’s quite laughable really that you’re saying OP/posters are generalising when they are speaking about their own situation, when the reality is some of the posters who are shouting “teacher bashing/generalising are also making assumptions/generalising as they don’t know the specifics of those individuals or the specifics of the OP experience, they themselves are speculating.

A teacher maybe too busy... it may be the schools policy... or it may be that the teacher is bone idle etc... without the content your basically assuming or generalising yourselves. 🤷‍♀️

SmileEachDay · 18/05/2020 18:24

it’s quite laughable really that you’re saying OP/posters are generalising when they are speaking about their own situation

It’s unsurprising, given your perspective, that you find it laughable.

Daffodil101 · 18/05/2020 18:24

You do realise that a lot of doctors don’t agree with the BMA?

The BMA is their union, they will side with other unions. They haven’t asked their members what they think.

I’m married to a doctor, lots of friends who are doctors. None of them agree with the BMA and they all think the BMA is useless

FrippEnos · 18/05/2020 18:40

Daffodil101

that is the thing about unions, not all the members agree.

Daffodil101 · 18/05/2020 18:46

I don’t know a single doctor who agrees. Off the top of my head, that’s ten hospital consultants and two GPs.

It’s a bit of a stretch to say that ‘doctors agree.’ More accurate to say that ‘their union agree but they haven’t asked them.’

FrippEnos · 18/05/2020 18:52

It’s a bit of a stretch to say that ‘doctors agree.’ More accurate to say that ‘their union agree but they haven’t asked them.’

Irony thy name is *Daffodil.

gotta larf.

Yes you are correct.

phlebasconsidered · 18/05/2020 19:01

Yes Daffodil. The doctors union agree. Which is made up of thousands of - wait for it - doctors!
Just like not all teachers are members of unions, not all doctors are. My (non union) Gp friend still nonetheless agrees with them. My 3 ICU nurse friends, 2 GP friends and my dd's consultant in hospital do. That's anecdotal, obvs.

So, nonetheless, I'm pretty sure I trust the opinion of a professional Medical union more than I trust the opinion of Michael Gove- dusted off and wheeled in to talk about "the science".

While French schools shut again. Because, you know, maybe they were not listening to his "science".

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 19:06

It’s unsurprising, given your perspective, that you find it laughable.

Meh, as with anyone you have your opinion, I simply don’t agree that the majority of teacher threads are “teacher bashing” or “generalising” which has been stated on here, that is what I find laughable.

There is always 2 sides to every story, not just an assumption that it may be that reason or it may be that policy because you work in that profession etc... As you don’t speak for all teachers.

As I’ve said previously It’s content that matters, not just because a poster has started a teacher thread and once again any profession is not above approach and that includes those in the education sector.

TheHoneyBadger · 18/05/2020 19:08

Daffodil101

I don’t know a single doctor who agrees. Off the top of my head, that’s ten hospital consultants and two GPs.

^how have you surveyed 10 consultants and 2 gps opinions on a government announcement during lockdown. I’m guessing they’re quite busy during a pandemic or do you get them all on zoom in order to be able to speak authoritatively about what they think on mumsnet?

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 19:14

I’m not even going to get into the specifics of front line staff contracting or dying from Covid, there is far too much grey area and concrete or clarity, yesterday guidance isn’t today’s guidance hence why the medical and education bodies get umpteen policy guidance within a 14 day period.

My BF is a Head teacher, she has received 8 new policy guidance from her department of education, each contradicting the other. Confused since BJ made the announcement some year groups could go back.

FrippEnos · 18/05/2020 19:31

you don't agree with me so I must be teacher bashing (paraphreased)

I wonder if this will be the new way of trying to shutdown teachers?

SallyLovesCheese · 18/05/2020 19:32

Yep, that's part of the problem, Haud, for anyone subject to government guidance. It keeps changing! How anyone is supposed to plan for anything is a mystery. I feel very sorry for school heads right now (as other public service managers) having to figure out what to do. Whatever they choose, some people (parents or school staff) aren't going to be happy. No-win situation.

PuttingoutthefirewithGasoline · 18/05/2020 19:34

I've not ploughed through this but as a teacher myself, I'd say mumsnet has usually been extremely pro teacher and infact a gang of embittered teachers shut down any discussions on desperate parents wondering what the hell was going on in their dc classroom.

No one and nothing is above critique.
Not teachers, not the NHS... Nothing. I suspect as mn is very lefty that some of these unionists, from teaching unions are on mn?

Personally I see children and parents as clients. I welcome feedback.

PuttingoutthefirewithGasoline · 18/05/2020 19:41

Re schools going back personally I feel its probably too soon when we could have extended and used the massive summer to our advantage.

People don't understand information. They think a mask will save you from covid. It won't unless it's a super duper mask.
People close windows because they are a teeny bit chilly without thought that fresh air and a breeze will help dissapate the disease.

I was in a small, crowded stuffy staff room days before lock down trying to keep a tiny window open. It was shut repeatedly.

Students don't understand it either.
Staff don't enforce and to be honest some staff members also feel immune and didn't abide by social distancing at all!

It will be a mess.

I'd rather wait until September. Every day we have more knowledge... More chance of cures or drugs to mitigate it.

Xenia · 18/05/2020 19:46

My doctor sibling thinks we are unfairly sacrificing the young for the old in all this.

NeverTwerkNaked · 18/05/2020 20:05

I know plenty of doctors who agree with Xenia's sibling and would disagree with daffodil

Bflatmajorsharp · 18/05/2020 20:19

No public health policy should be about 'sacrifice'.

It should be about identifying and planning to minimise risk to physical and mental health and life as much as possible.

It is older people who suffered when 15,000 patients with unknown CV19 status were discharged into care homes, unprepared and ill-equipped to care for them. Over half of CV19 deaths have been in care homes.

This is an awful situation for young people in so many ways, but it's a bit of a stretch to say that they're being sacrificed.

HaudYerWheeshtYaWeeBellend · 18/05/2020 20:26

Interesting Haud.
The MN party line up until now has been that HCPs are no more at risk that the general public and any suggestion about a dead HCP contacting COVID on the front line is countered with the that they were probably infected in Tesco.

If you’d have said Asda I would definitely have believed that Angry Wink

MN is fickle at times... but it may be the case.

I know of a care home in the Isle of Man, 48 of its 68 residents contracted Covid-19, 17 of those patients (last I heard) had died, 8 of the workers contracted Covid, 2 have sadly passed and the others in ICU/ hospital. (Again last I heard last week)

Government locked it down fully, the staff were living within the premises full time and the virus was brought into the home as a resident was sent home from hospital.

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