To think it’s about time @MNHQ stepped up and did something about the teacher bashing.

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This evening has been AWFUL here on the AIBU board.

@MNHQ, at what point do you actually plan to intervene and do something about the sheer number of teacher bashing threads, and individual posts? Should we expect any kind of moderation?

Or, is this in fact, “all in the spirit of Mumsnet”? Because at the moment, you’re making it look a darn sight like you agree by proxy.

*lostmyshit9”Did I say you were lazy? You are being sanctimonious with your “I ignore my kids” crap.

And I would like my daughters teachers to set work this week, yes. So genuinely, if they aren’t setting lessons this week what are all three teachers in my daughters year doing this week and it’s genuinely the first time in have wondered that.

Oh, none of them have young children. One has none and the two others are fairly mature in years.

Apologies, your zoom meetings then.

As I said, we don't use Zoom.

@Yetanotherspartacus, Brilliant post. Please can we put that as a sticky at the top of every thread about schools?

You are being sanctimonious with your “I ignore my kids” crap

It's the truth. That's the reality of homeworking for teachers. Fortunately, my children are old enough to plug into the Internet and don't bother me unnecessarily. I am not sure how my colleagues who are home alone with toddlers are coping with the expectation they do 6 hours of teaching a day. But during that time, I am absolutely not available to my own children if I am doing my job properly. And doing our jobs properly is what all this moaning is about, is it not?

Fair enough Ron. I think at the moment it seems to be post after post of the same old garbage with regards to schools.

People even show up after the same old questions have been answered again to say "I don't see why the hell we can't open schools. Teachers should get on with their jobs, they're basically being paid to do nothing".

Lily puts it really well here:
People are getting angry in the wrong direction. Why does our government not look at what is working and do that?!
Countries that havent even lockdown and are doing better than We are. Why wont the government say we need to do x t z rather than the vague bull we actually get from Boris.
People ought to be directing their anger towards the government for their vague crap we get from them, their endless leaks to test the water, soundbites that sound very different to the details.
If there are issues related to a specific school then take them up with the school.
If someone is annoyed at poor strategic oversight of schools moving to open then direct that where it's due, not to those at the chalkface who just want to phase back to normality in a way that puts staff and student safety first.

Sadly I think people often tend to blame each other when they should be looking higher up.

I mean just look at the way some furloughed workers are being spoken about. Nothing to do with them but people will sooner write derogatory comments about people sitting on their arses all day than blame their employers for furloughing staff that shouldn't have been.

Brilliant post. Please can we put that as a sticky at the top of every thread about schools

I think there are far better ones on here, but glad you liked it!

I'm really over the teacher-bashing. It's become the new sport and it is very sad.

MN's hypocrisy is showing.

Try saying what's been said about teachers about trans women and it will be deleted.

I feel incredibly let down by MN allowing such vile hatred and lies here.

Subscribe? Ha ha ha ha ha.

You're right.

There's a lot of divide and rule going on at the moment, and it only benefits one section of society.

The vast majority of teachers care about their students and like teaching them. We have to wonder why the government has handled education like this through this crisis and it seems like they're trying to pass the buck.

On another thread a few of us have noticed that there's been the naughty health workers agenda (conveniently to distract from the government failing to sort adequate PPE), there's the lazy teachers (to distract from the fact that the government have proposed something almost impossible to implement in most settings but they can then blame the teachers), the naughty furloughed workers (instead of the employers who take the piss).
We've had the shift from stay at home to stay alert, which means if the cases increase and more people die then the government can blame the public and deflect from their own poor handling of the crisis and our prime minister not bothering to attend several COBRA meetings.

@YetAnotherSpartacus
I feel for the teachers on here and think that the HQ response was totally inadequate

Thank you! Mumsnet needs the cash but no sure how many teachers will pay up.

I'm getting tired of the way so many focus on the fact that children don't appear to spread the virus. I know that's quite true. But it isn't just about the children! It's all the adults that will be on school premises that I'm concerned about, with evidence that the virus is passed around by people without symptoms: teachers, TAs, playground assistants, catering and caretakers.

And also parents, at least in Reception and year 1. Year 6 is simpler, as they know how to socially distance and don't need their parents to accompany them into the playground. (We're planning for DD1 (11, year 6) to go in and out of school on her own.)

I'm nervous about the fact that I'm a long way from better and my DH has asthma. There will be plenty of school staff and parents who have similar concerns, some of whom also have DC who are vulnerable.

People are still catching the virus, so I quite understand the concerns of teachers about safety.

On the other hand, I can see that my DDs are missing out by not being in school, and I know that at some point we'll need to pick up our normal lives again. But I'm a long way from convinced that opening schools again so soon is a good idea.

I agree with @YetAnotherSpartacus too. Today so far, whilst supervising my own ASN youngest DC, I have:

interacted with pupils on our online platform (not Teams)
set, commented upon and marked tasks
spoken to 3 parents and 2 pupils to sort out issues
contacted our admin staff re issues with report writing that staff are having
replied to a host of queries on the staff Whats App chat and some issues from parents on our school FB page
attended a Zoom meeting with some colleagues across the cluster
just off to attend a transition meeting for pupils heading into high school next session

I don't make decisions re schools being open, what IT we use, when we will return or how it will look when we do. After nearly 30 years in this career and over 20 years as a parent I despair of so many of the posts on this site especially over the weekend. Some might come from a place of anxiety and stress but it's not as if as a teacher and parent I'm exempt from either of these emotions. Reading some of these posts does make me wonder why some people would entrust their children with these awful people 5 days a week.

Supermarket workers also get alot of stick on here as well but we have been working right through this with hardly and PPE and dealing with hundreds of customers and no moaning and the same with other keyworkers. We still got to do our jobs and so should teachers. Schools will reopen and they will have to go back to a school setting.

Spirit I have huge amounts of respect for supermarket workers and the work they’re doing. I would never say teachers have it harder than anyone else, just challenging the idea that we’re doing nothing. Schools are currently open and many of us are in school, getting on with it and not making a fuss. The query is whether schools will still be safe once more children arrive, not whether or not we should do our job because we are (albeit differently!)

But if the government advisors say they will be fairly safe (comparably safe to other jobs, activities) why do teachers refuse to believe that?

But if the government advisors say they will be fairly safe (comparably safe to other jobs, activities) why do teachers refuse to believe that

Do you believe everything the government tells you?

@Floatyboat Because the data is flawed. Of course it looks like fewer teachers are losing their lives than healthcare workers. Healthcare workers are on the frontline, and most teachers have been directed to work from home for the majority of the time.

A turn on the rota each week to look after about ten kids in the whole building is relatively safe. It won't be when all children and staff are in!

floaty
Because the government said what levels had to be to phase open schools, and then have backtracked and said that level doesn't matter.
Because the government want international comparisons on the briefings, until the last week when it makes them look bad so now they say international comparisons don't work... Except if you're pushing to open schools, in which case comparing internationally is ok
Because the DfE's science advisor didn't go to the SAGE meetings and has recently said that the evidence is inconclusive and mixed.
Because they've said adults should have face coverings in indoor spaces where it's hard to socially distance, but then have said that doesn't matter in schools
Because the BMA has come out supporting school union reservations (not just teaching unions)
Because the government also made pronouncements about risks in care homes and have subsequently been found to have been talking shit.

It's fairly hard to trust what the government are saying at the moment when they change their mind on what the evidence says and are endlessly contradicting themselves.

@LolaSmiles for PM

lily but hell no, even making the move to SLT is too much of an office job.

Why is it that complaining about one social worker/teacher means that we're tackling the whole profession? We're not at all.
Of course. If that was true. Something like, my child’s teacher, I feel is not providing enough work. Ive already contacted the teacher To ask for more but they refuse. I dont think this is good enough what can i do? This would get LOADS of suggestions on dealing with the teacher / the school and how to plug the gap.

But my child’s entire school has been awful entire school who you wouldnt deal with? really? My child has had absolutely nothing to do. WHAT ARE TEACHERS DOING? Is not the same at all. It is goady. Says all teachers are doing nothing and is a very real example.

I would also back @LolaSmiles for PM, I always enjoy reading her posts. A very intelligent woman.

Wooaah. Steady on. 😂

There's a low bar for PM if all you've got to do is say the government should pull their finger out their arse, come up with proper plans in conjunction with schools, and stop trying to play parents and schools off.

But thank you

Lola

Just “not fucking it up” would be great.