To think it’s about time @MNHQ stepped up and did something about the teacher bashing.

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This evening has been AWFUL here on the AIBU board.

@MNHQ, at what point do you actually plan to intervene and do something about the sheer number of teacher bashing threads, and individual posts? Should we expect any kind of moderation?

Or, is this in fact, “all in the spirit of Mumsnet”? Because at the moment, you’re making it look a darn sight like you agree by proxy.

Why should they step in? People are allowed an opinion, like it or not.

Everyone is germ ridden. We are constantly being exposed to and infected by germs.... it's just that the close proximity that children have with each other means they are often very quick spreaders.

I think that's what PP are trying to say.
The thing is, in the past few weeks teachers have been expected to learn a whole new job, with no training whatsoever and at very short (almost no)notice.
Having done that, to varying degrees of success (remember they may also have young kids in the house who can't just be ignored while they try to work) they are now being TOLD they may have to return to the classroom.
While lockdown/social distancing is still in place. Are they not right to raise concerns to make sure this can still be implemented? Compare your shopping visit to schools... Kids queing up, 2m apart, 2m pace in classrooms.

@Nicknacky imagine a carer saying it about an elderly person they would be ripped to shreds but it's a free for all where children are concerned on here very sad.

It’s only children that ever get referred to as “germ ridden” let’s not pretend it isn’t.

@buckfastattiffanys I understand but my best friend works in a nursery with 1-4 year olds she is still looking after key workers children some of the parents work on ITU wards high risk children.
She has to hug these kids change their bums get up close everyday social distancing cannot be implemented . So it's ok for her to risk herself daily but not for teachers who are on a lot more money? What if she refused to work the nurses couldn't work doctors couldn't work ?
She wouldn't call her kids germ ridden though she's dedicated to her job these are the forgotten workers that actually do have to pick up the kids and have them stick their fingers in her face and mouth some days.
Everything is a risk everything we do I'm not saying teachers are wrong but where does it end?

I am tired of many teachers saying they want to stay home and are afraid of catching Covid at school and taking it home and passing it on to their families. Do they think chemist, bus drivers, social workers or supermarket workers or many others serving the public don't worry about that too? An Australian study in news tonight found children are less likely to pass virus on to an adult. Those teachers with official government letter who are shielding should stay at home as government advice and the others get back to the classroom as government policy led by science.

@Nicknacky it is and people act like it's ok it's wrong.

@caringcarer I agree with you there is a lot lot more high risk jobs out there.

No, that's not ok at all. That's terrible. Do they have PPE?

All teachers are having to attend school to look after the children of key workers on a rota basis. Implementing social distancing is alomst impossible.

But, rather than saying if one group are exposed, lets expose all teachers, shouldn't we be saying lets get protection in place for this one group before we can roll it out to all teachers?

Kids in other countries are seen on TV managing to socially distance. Children are used to this at the moment.

A lot of us teachers spent the first year or two of teaching with constant bugs. It’s a known phenomenon. I was ordered to take 2 weeks out of school in my pgce year and the sicknote said, ‘recurrent viral syndrome’. It’s apparently common. I was wiped out and needed my immune system to have 2 weeks off.

Schools are indeed germ factories and kids mingle very closely (nits anyone?) and don’t have the best hygiene standards.

Hardly contentious to know kids are germ-y

government policy led by science.

what science are you referring to @caringcarer?

Many nhs staff have died from COVID-19. That's awful in itself. Many public transport workers have also died. I'm not sure how that justifies throwing another group into the ring?

Caringcarer. Absolutely. My feelings exactly in both your posts.

TheHoneyBadger It’s not a surprise at all that you pick up every bug given. Kids do as well when they start nursery.

All we are saying, as parents, is don’t be offensive towards our children. It’s rude.

I could list on here, numerous words for the people I deal with at work but my arse would be rightly handed to me as it’s not right.

So give parents the same respect about their children. You wouldn’t say it to a parents face.

@buckfastattiffanys she has an apron that's it because she's looking after baby's and toddlers they can't wear masks they can't social distance she has 15 to a room some days.
She's still had to work while everyone else has stayed at home for crap money her money hasn't gone up because she's putting herself at risk and she had cancer but she still does it.
I get your POV but people forget lots have been doing this for ages already and she's still here she hasn't caught it which I can only take as positive as the toddlers have no awareness for hand washing etc
Surely if it's spreading that bad between the kids and adults the staff there would be dropping like flies with the highest risk groups.
Their only wanting to send back three year groups splitting the classes is possible and there will be more time for them to use the toilets infants have about 8 toilets at my sons school and juniors have the same so it's easy enough done if my friends nursery does it which is a fraction of the size.

Do they think chemist, bus drivers, social workers or supermarket workers or many others serving the public don't worry about that too

With the exception of social workers that I don't know anything about, all of the rest are socially distanced/behind screens/ have security guards on the door.

An Australian study in news tonight found children are less likely to pass virus on to an adult

Link? Unlikely to have been peer-reviewed

She wouldn't call her kids germ ridden though she's dedicated to her job these are the forgotten workers that actually do have to pick up the kids and have them stick their fingers in her face and mouth some days.
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Kids in other countries are seen on TV managing to socially distance.

How would teachers feel if supermarket workers refused to serve them and bus drivers refused to let them get on the bus, chemist decided to shut chemist so they could not get medication? They expect other key workers to serve the public yet they want to stay home. Many many parents and children are not even having appropriate work set by teachers and even fewer get work sent back to school with feedback for improvement. My child and many others just get well done X. Unless ALL teachers can do a better job wfh they need to go back to work in school.

@Nicknacky my thoughts exactly we wouldn't use those terms to refer to other groups other then children and it's still not backed by evidence yet so everyone could be wrong also and it's offensive. Just say kids carry germs but don't call them germ ridden super spreaders it grinds my gears.

People carry germs, not just kids.

@buckfastattiffanys you can't compare nursery and school and infants aren't really expected to Social distance they have already said this.
The older kids can easily social distance and I'm sure a good school will accommodate this.

@caringcarer I agree so many are putting their life at risk for all of us everyday.
They are sending back three year groups at the moment Which they can spread throughout the school easily and a lot of these parents won't even be sending their kids back as their scared to. So I bet it will be about 15 per year group over the three year groups so why not let this go ahead and see how it works out with good hygiene.

@maria860 that's awful and really unfair. It's frustrating that some people (myself included) are furloughed and yet others are working very hard during this and being exposed to the virus with inadequate protection.

she hasn't caught it she may not have had symptoms but it's entrirely possible she has caught it. And that means she could have passed it on to other family members. And that is very unfair for her and her family. Doesn't having cancer does make her exempt from attending work though as she is in a vulnerable group?

My chemist does not have a security guard on the door. Social workers are going into children's homes to see them. Headteachers union has said teachers are at no more risk than other professionals. Classrooms will be only half full so distancing.

@buckfastattiffanys she's in remission but on daily meds she's not in the shielded group so she's not exempt as she's not on chemo anymore.
I do understand teachers worries but I think everyone is being swept up in hysteria of what may happen and we won't know unless we try. Like I said a lot won't send the children back so I don't think that many will even be in school compared to now.
I think we should let them try it and if infection rates go up they know why and teachers who are vulnerable should stay off work till September if that's what they want.