Boris declares war on fat

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Boris has said his being overweight contributed to his problems with Covid-19.
Stories this morning suggest he will wage war on fat...

What type of help do you think might be suggested?

Have you decided to lose weight due to Covid-19 worries?

YABU - no I will not lose weight due to Covid worries
YANBU - I will lose weight due to Covid worries

But intermittent fasting IS about eating less, moving more and having strong will power. It's a calorie deficit with a twist, that's all

I don’t think you understand anything about hormones, I suggest you read the book or watch the videos, they are very informative.

@Elmerrrrrrrr

But I do not agree with diets. I think they promote disordered eating. That is based on my time as an eating disorder peer supporter

If someone’s doctor ( a qualified medical practitioner who knows them and their medical history) has told them to lose weight then it’s completely inappropriate and unethical for someone who is “an eating disorder peer supporter” to tell them that their doctor is wrong.

I can’t believe that this was not covered in your basic training or induction . I’m assuming you have at least some training for your role?

Whether you personally agree with people losing weight is up to you. You can believe all you like that big is beautiful / it’s all about love and acceptance / you can just identify out of diabetes , hypertension and heart disease etc.

But you have no right to tell people to go against medical advice.

I don’t think you understand anything about hormones, I suggest you read the book or watch the videos, they are very informative.

"Hormones" will not help you if you do 16:8 and in that 8 you scoff burgers and half a block of cheese with pasta🤷🏻 It's a calorie deficit. Differently achieved, but it is. That's why it says even on that doctor's website that it's effective when combined with healthy lifestyle, no snacking, low carb. Let's be honest here. You would lose weight with healthy lifestyle, no snacking and low carb even without fasting.

I don't even have an issue with that doctor himself or the fasting, whatever works for you (though the health warnings are bit concerning).

I have an issue with posters claiming "calorie in, calorie out" is wrong🤷🏻

It’s NOT as simple as “ calories in and calories out”.

Please explain to me how this fits in with our endocrine system and why Dr Fung and other medical doctors are wrong.

I don't think you understand what my problem was with. Even though I have said it at least twice. Nvm.

Ok well if that whole calories in / out / eat your 800 cal a day in one biscuit per hour thing works for you then that’s great, I wish you good luck and good health.

But please allow others to have a different approach. And if you are going to criticise it, at least take the time to read and understand first.

It’s NOT about “ scoffing cheese and pasta “. It’s about

1. Eating Healthy natural mostly unprocessed LCHF foods that don’t create blood sugar and insulin spikes . More stable hormone levels mean you don’t get so hungry, so less willpower needed. Lower insulin levels mean your body can use some of the stored fat.

1. No crap junk food, diet foods, low fat foods, diet drinks, diet bars, diet ready meals

1. Keeping active

1. Some people choose to combine this with IF, to various levels. Some people use IF to maintain once they have lost weight . There are other health benefits to IF which exist even if you “ calories in calories out “ people don’t believe in them, as demonstrated by Nobel prize winning research.

I’m sure there’s much better summaries elsewhere. There’s loads more info on the weight loss and boot camp threads.

I know this is VERY challenging for the diet industry, because it means there’s no need for all their diet products. No wonder so many people are against it.

People whose idea of weight loss is to scoff diet drinks all day then use their Calories on a curry and chips at night get very angry. No one likes to be told that’s not healthy or sustainable.

I agree with no planes , time to stop making excuses and just eat less .
Understand it’s a terrific struggle for people . I know myself how hard it is to cut back when you love good food . Even if those with a “ poor “ diet just ate 1/2 of what they normally ate in a day after a month they would have lost some weight . So if burgers and pizzas are your thing just eat 1/2 a burger etc .

Whether you personally agree with people losing weight is up to you. You can believe all you like that big is beautiful / it’s all about love and acceptance / you can just identify out of diabetes , hypertension and heart disease etc.

What the f are you banging on about? I never said I disagreed with weight loss. I said I disagreed with diets.

I'm very supportive of encouraging people to get to a healthy weight. It is important for all of us. I do not buy into the health at every size moment - you have clearly not read any of my other posts.

This is so frustrating...

Ok well if that whole calories in / out / eat your 800 cal a day in one biscuit per hour thing works for you then that’s great, I wish you good luck and good health.
Firstly, I am not advocating 800cal a day on buscuits and curry. However even on that one would lose weight as long as they burn more calories.

What you describe is called healthy lifestyle. No one with IQ higher than room temperature could possibly argue that's wrong. If anything it's something we should aim for.

What I criticised was the claim that it's all about hormones and calorie in calorie out is wrong🤷🏻

I am just glad I am not the only one who's post are being misinterpreted....

I still fundamentally disagree with the idea that poorer people are more likely to be overweight due to cost. I see this often, they are the ones giving children fizzy drinks and squash - water is free (ish, you pay water rates) we only need to drink water, we don't need sugary rubbish.

Porridge for breakfast is way cheaper than sugary processed breakfast cereals and more filling.

Home cooked foods rarely more expensive and is more filling so less is required. If you give me a pizza, crisps,chips I will shovell it down. A chicken casserole I'm less likely to gorge on.

We don't need crisps,chocolate etc daily - another cost saving.

I have literally no crisps, chocolate, biscuits etc ever in my house (unless having someone over for a coffee and a cake). We only have water and a variety of teas. No squash etc. I someone's fancy a chocolate but it's not there so I don't have it. We don't own a microwave as i can't imagine what I would put in it.

The real problem is education and attitude and this is the real thing that goes hand in hand with the lower class obesity link. Lack of education about nutrition and how to cook a decent meal from scratch. Also motivation to cook a decent meal rather than throwing a ready meal in the oven.

I think we need to stop pretending money is the problem,its actually about knowing what to spend it on.

I'm often appalled when I look in peoples trolleys at the supermarket.

Yes Celery The problem with people in low paid professions like care is their education and attitude. I will assume you are not being a hypocrite and clapping for them every Thursday night.

Celery if a low income family has £1 left on their electricity meter then bunging some cheap beans in the microwave for their children's dinner rather than waste that whole £1 on a more expensive casserole and not be able to wash school uniform, surely you can see why they'd do it. Crisps and biscuits do not need cooking and are unbelievably cheap.

We are not even remotely financially challenged but even I can see that it's not as easy as you make out.

A microwave is all many poorer people have. If that.
How do you do home cooking when you don't have access to your own kitchen or proper cooking facilities and storage?
That's really for thousands and thousands of families in temp accommodation.

*reality

I haven’t changed the way I eat but I have started drinking water all the time which is the easiest way to loose weight because it’s a natural appetite suppressant and boosts your metabolism. That’s the only change I have made and I know water helps me to loose weight so I know it works.

How do you do home cooking when you don't have access to your own kitchen or proper cooking facilities and storage?

Those who actually know how to cook and have temp accommodation usually have hot plates and a rice cooker, at minimum. Maybe a toaster oven depending on space. Storage space is usually at a premium but having these tools are actually a savings on the food bill if you have the know-how.

It’s the knowledge gap that’s the problem, not income.

I speak from experience here.

Toffee but I will often eat a can of sardines - that doesn't require a microwave. I buy a can you do not need a can opener to open which may be are more expensive than those that do not but it is not an impossible meal.

Yousick, very wise. In fact in Italy they found giving covid 19 patients lots of water really helped with kidney problems - major kidney problems can result from CV19 not least because people were coming into hospital after having had days of a very very high temperature and were short of fluids and once in were given very small amounts of water only to try to help their chest but that had a bad effect of hurting the kidneys they have now found.

So if any of us get it whether we are over weight or not do keep your fluids up. I read a good book by a doctor imprisoned in Iran who had no medical equipment and he found giving those who were sick more water than usual really did help a whole lot of conditions.

So if you're poor you have to eat sardines everyday. Nevermind the vegetarians or vegans. I expect poorer people aren't allowed to choose to give up meat and fish.

How about the fact that experts recommend a balanced varied diet.

I haven’t changed the way I eat but I have started drinking water all the time which is the easiest way to loose weight because it’s a natural appetite suppressant and boosts your metabolism. That’s the only change I have made and I know water helps me to loose weight so I know it works.

I wish I could have just done that I already drunk 3l of water a day. The cal counting did make me think about what I put in my mouth so went back to basics. And also... Realise that my portions were way too big. It's a good way to go back to eating how I did before I started adding this and adding that... So 15 years back😂

Re the squash mentioned above. I just started using it again (used to drink it when younger) because it helps me not think about food when my water has flavour. I don't know if that's normal or just me. However, does anyone actually drink it as is on a bottle 1 part squash with 4 parts water?😱 That just sounds SO strong. I use about a lid in a pint. Always did.

Oh for goodness sake.

We are going round in circles.

YES , Helena Dove and others. WE KNOW LOTS OF PEOPLE DON’T HAVE KITCHENS ETC. that does NOT stop those of us who do cooking And eating more healthily.

And you’re being ridiculous trying to say we are suggesting poorer folk just eat sardines. That is not at all what was said, far from it. I brought them up just as an example of a perfectly good, cheap, nutritious food that I got the piss taken out of me for eating. By kids who I know for a fact had fully functioning kitchens in their homes.

It doesnt seem to stop you criticizing those who dont have full access to kitchens either.

What? I have never once said that.

How weird that people feel able to talk freely about " poor people". Be careful , you may end up poor and/or fat.

Go and suck on your sardines and don't forget the little bones.