To refuse to have a corona vaccine?

[EasyPleasey]

A lot of people seem to be waiting for a corona vaccine. However I just dont trust any vaccine 'rushed' out, especially after all the mistakes made so far in this crisis. I would rather catch the actual virus and take my chances, as for most people it is a mild illness but who knows what the vaccine may do.

I know quite a few other people who say they will refuse any vaccine for this. I have had all the other vaccines, as have my children.

AIBU?

@sydneyvienna

No one is advocating for forced vaccination. Everyone still has to choice whether to have it or not. However this choice, like all choices, comes with consequences and those consequences may be restricted movement in the interest of public safety. Everyone therefore has to weigh up their choice to vaccinate and be allowed to resume normal business with it vs not vaccine but therefore not be able to resume normal business as it puts others at risk.

'Are you anti-abortion? That’s life'

Nope I am completely pro choice - because at that point, to me, it is not an independent life but, in medical terms, a parasite. As soon as that baby is born and no longer reliant on its mother however, then it is a life.

My concern is not about the speed of bringing it to the market, but its efficacy. This is a flu-like virus. Just like any flu vaccine, they are at least a year out of season

Coronavirus is not influenza. I think I must have read this about a gazillion times. How anyone can still think this is beyond me.

Boost your immune system!

The definition of a 'boosted immune system' is an auto-immune condition and you really, really don't want one of those.

That should be the primary message, in my medically qualified opinion

Go back to med school because, on the evidence of the above, you failed to listen to anything first time round.

True it will be rushed and we won't know the future side effects but we also don't know the future side effects of the virus itself so does it matter either way ? 🤷‍♀️

Many countries have mandatory vaccines to travel to.
Also DD went to US to work in a camp she had to prove she had MMR, hepititus etc and chicken pox. I hadnt taken her to gp when she had CP so spent a very stressful weekend finding some where that would test her titres and get results back in time.
You are within your rights not to have a cine, but you dont have rights to do things without a required vaccine

What FTM30 said. The first people to get it will be front line workers,such as doctors,nurses and careers. Then I expect the same thing will happen that happens every year with the flu vaccination,i.e. it will run out. This seems to be the case at my GP's surgery,year after year. I sometimes don't get mine until early January,even though it's been 'available' since the 1st October. I sometimes wonder if they're just trying to put people off having it,as a means of saving money.

If they ever make a vaccine, all the data should be published and we can read it and make a decision at that point.

They've already made it quite clear that that haven't missed out any safety steps.

I'll be having it, I want my freedom back

Anti Vaxxers really get my goat

Many bame won't accept it. Which is a shame as they die at higher rates due to multiple factors.

They won't accept it as Africa has been used for many years as a Guinea pig for vaccine trials to the detriment of Africans, as has the Caribbean.

They won't accept it as French scientists are on record a few weeks ago planning to trial it in Africa. It was on French news.

It's a shame but after the hiv epidemic and papers released in the USA and south Africa, how will these communities trust a vaccine???

There is a current campaign to stop covid 19 vaccine tests and clinical trials in the democratic republic of Congo.

So yes these vaccines will be rushed and people in the trials will suffer. Not all clinical trials are equal and those taking part in many countries do so because of poverty etc and suffer for it.

You do realise that even drugs that are not as “urgent” as this vaccine can be fast tracked through trials and approvals if the results show greater benefit than risk? So you may steady be taking medication that has been “rushed” through the approval process.

Would it be simplest to just deny Covid 19 NHS treatment to anyone who refuses the vaccine? I completely accept a persons right to refuse the vaccine, but fail to see why we should pay for their resulting treatment.

YABVU and really ignorant.

Would it be simplest to just deny Covid 19 NHS treatment to anyone who refuses the vaccine?

No. I'm extremely vunerable and most at risk from these people but it really fucks me off the way people attempt to puppeteer compliance by threatening withdrawal of health care - it's incredibly shitty.

I am very pro-vaccination, but in fairness to the OP, a vaccine produced so quickly is never going to turn up all the possible side effects. As the swine flu vaccination demonstrated.

Yep, I'll have it when the vaccine comes out, but I'm not going to roll my eyes quite so dramatically at people like the OP, as I do to anti-vaxxers. I think she has a reasonable point. But for society's sake (and especially for the vulnerable) I hope that enough people take it up to provide real herd immunity.

Would it be simplest to just deny Covid 19 NHS treatment to anyone who refuses the vaccine?

No, we can't do this. We don't deny cancer treatment to smokers, liver treatment to alcoholics, sports related injuries from high risk sports. At this point they are only a danger to themselves, not others. The denial of use of public services/spaces is not punishment but merely to protect public health and the rest of society whether denial of treatment would simply be punishment. That's the difference.

So @FourTeaFallOut what you’re saying is that we should deploy our incredibly stretched NHS resources to treat people who have voluntarily placed themselves in that position.

Ffs. Darwin was right, wasn’t he?

Do what you like. More for everyone else.

@letitgolego we can and we should. The medical conditions you refer to are complex and difficult to attribute definitively to a particular action or behaviour. A vaccine would prevent Covid. If you refuse it you shouldn’t expect everyone else to cover the costs.

I’d be cautious too. IF we get a vaccine.

I’m pretty sure I’ve had coronavirus so hoping to get an antibody test and interested in research about whether, to what extent and for how long this may confer immunity.

Rowantree accidents that happen during high risk sports are pretty easy to attribute to the sport.

Don’t have it - your choice. Just stay the fook away from the rest of us and anyone unable to have the vaccine and relying upon those who can to protect them.
Bloody selfish & utterly utterly stupid!

So @FourTeaFallOut what you’re saying is that we should deploy our incredibly stretched NHS resources to treat people who have voluntarily placed themselves in that position.

I didn't say I liked it but it's the cost of entry of a civilised society.

Yes @anaisb but hopefully you can see the difference between people playing sports and people refusing a vaccine.

What is all this talk of anti vaxxers, it’s just not true! They aren’t anti-vaxxers they are pro-covid!